So If You Think Old School Hip Hop Sounds Dated...

Do teenagers consider J Cole, Drake, Meek Mill, Rick Ross and Kendrick "old school"?

J Cole - First major label album 2009

Drake - First major label album 2010

Kendrick Lamar - First major label album 2012

Rick Ross - First major label album 2006

Meek Mill - First major label album 2011
 
5 Grand said:



^^^ If Freedom sounds dated, how do you think 2Pac, Biggie, Snoop & Wu Tang sound to teenagers in 2020?

How do you think The Chronic, Doggystyle, 36 Chambers, Me Against The World and Ready To Die sound?
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I get what you're trying to say, but the problem with that super old school stuff is that the beats and lyrics were pretty simple and much of it sounded the same. You'd be hard pressed to say that Doggystyle, 36 Chambers, MAtW, and Read to Die sound the same. It's hard to claim something sounds dated when there is nothing about a particular date that ties everything together.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
I get what you're trying to say, but the problem with that super old school stuff is that the beats and lyrics were pretty simple and much of it sounded the same. You'd be hard pressed to say that Doggystyle, 36 Chambers, MAtW, and Read to Die sound the same. It's hard to claim something sounds dated when there is nothing about a particular date that ties everything together.
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But would teenagers agree with you?


As far as the "super old school", there's not that much of it. Some of the biggest groups only released 2 or 3 songs in their prime.

You could probably put most of the worthwhile old school Hip Hop on a double cd, or maybe 3.
 
If by dated you mean you can tell what era it was made in. Yes. If by dated you mean it doesnt sound as good then no you're wrong
 
genocide_cutter said:
Early 80's pre rakim flow rap sounds dated as fuck though.
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I agree. Rakim changed the game. That's what he's known for.

But you can't tell me Run DMC doesn't have some bangers

Like I said most of the biggest groups from 79-84 only have a handful of records. With the exception of Grandmaster Flash & The F5, Kurtis Blow and the Sugarhill Gang, nobody was dropping albums from 79-84.

Records from the 79-84 era were unique because Rap music was new. At the time, it sounded unlike anything you've ever heard. It was devastating to the ear.

By the 90s Rap music had evolved into something else.

But my question is; Do teenagers in 2020 look at Wu Tang, Snoop, 2Pac and Big the same way 30 and 40 year olds look at The Sugarhill Gang, Kurtis Blow and Grandmaster Flash?

I just turned 47 btw.
 
genocide_cutter said:
Early 80's pre rakim flow rap sounds dated as fuck though.
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This.

Pre-Rakim hip hop was a lot of "yes yes yall, to the beat yall" kinda shit. Even when it strayed from that (i.e. Ice T's Reckless, Man Parrish's Boogie Down Bronx, etc) the rhymes were still simple. There's really only a handful of joints I can still listen to from that era and I grew up in it.
 
genocide_cutter said:
Early 80's pre rakim flow rap sounds dated as fuck though.
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konceptjones said:
This.

Pre-Rakim hip hop was a lot of "yes yes yall, to the beat yall" kinda shit. Even when it strayed from that (i.e. Ice T's Reckless, Man Parrish's Boogie Down Bronx, etc) the rhymes were still simple. There's really only a handful of joints I can still listen to from that era and I grew up in it.
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Alight, I'm gonna open a can of worms and go down the rabbithole


If Pre-Rakim Hip Hop sounds dated and was a lot of "Yes yes ya'll" (on a side note Kid Creole of The Furious 5 coined the term "Yes Yes Ya'll" while Cowboy of the Furious 5 coined the phrase, "Throw your hands in the air and wave 'em like you just don't care")


Anyway, if Pre-Rakim was just a bunch of Yes Yes Ya'll, then how would you define/describe The Last Poets?

The Last Poets first album came out in 1970 and they released a string of albums between 1970-1977











If you compare The Last Poets to early Hip Hop MCs (e.g. Kurtis Blow & Melle Mel) You can tell that the Hip Hop style is very different from what The Last Poets were doing.
 
5 Grand said:
I agree. Rakim changed the game. That's what he's known for.

But you can't tell me Run DMC doesn't have some bangers

Like I said most of the biggest groups from 79-84 only have a handful of records. With the exception of Grandmaster Flash & The F5, Kurtis Blow and the Sugarhill Gang, nobody was dropping albums from 79-84.

Records from the 79-84 era were unique because Rap music was new. At the time, it sounded unlike anything you've ever heard. It was devastating to the ear.

By the 90s Rap music had evolved into something else.

But my question is; Do teenagers in 2020 look at Wu Tang, Snoop, 2Pac and Big the same way 30 and 40 year olds look at The Sugarhill Gang, Kurtis Blow and Grandmaster Flash?

I just turned 47 btw.
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A lot of those kids grew up with parents that listened to Wu, Snoop, and Pac in the same way our parents listened to Parliament, Stevie, Marvin, etc so they're more open to that era of hip hop as opposed to, say, the late 80's.
 
You gotta also understand that hip hop was crazy underground through the early 80s so a lot of classic songs from that era just aren't well known and never got played on the radio all the time so people don't resonate with them the same.

You take a doggystyle or a chronic or whatever and even kids today grew up hearing those songs on the radio or at parties or cookouts or whatever so there's still some nostalgia there even if the sound isn't popular today.

With that said, there's still mad songs from the 80s that will get the party live depending on who's at the party.
 
5 Grand said:
I agree. Rakim changed the game. That's what he's known for.

But you can't tell me Run DMC doesn't have some bangers

Like I said most of the biggest groups from 79-84 only have a handful of records. With the exception of Grandmaster Flash & The F5, Kurtis Blow and the Sugarhill Gang, nobody was dropping albums from 79-84.

Records from the 79-84 era were unique because Rap music was new. At the time, it sounded unlike anything you've ever heard. It was devastating to the ear.

By the 90s Rap music had evolved into something else.

But my question is; Do teenagers in 2020 look at Wu Tang, Snoop, 2Pac and Big the same way 30 and 40 year olds look at The Sugarhill Gang, Kurtis Blow and Grandmaster Flash?

I just turned 47 btw.
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yea I think teenagers do. Technically I was a kid when Wu and pac came out and I’m 33 now and they sound dated but I consider them old school.
 
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