I think what chi is saying is killing somebody over property is rarely worth it. You can buy a new car but if you blow somebody head off you can be traumatized and all that.
Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (Jacob Blake Protest Shooting)
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I think what chi is saying is killing somebody over property is rarely worth it. You can buy a new car but if you blow somebody head off you can be traumatized and all that.
Thing is bro we just not giving dude the benefit of the doubt. Like white terrorists don’t need no more capes.
Then we're having 2 different conversations. I'm just talking the law. It's based on facts and evidence. If you want to follow your gut, that's fine. It's just a separate conversation.
I don't think the kid should have been out there. Should have kept his ass at home, and he probably was out there trying to feel like an authority figure when he wasn't one.
But if we're talking about it he should go to jail for murder or not, that stuff doesn't matter.
So the law says you can walk down the street with loaded gun and nobody has the right to feel threatened enough to do something? Because we see this all the time because yes you can argue self defense but the other side can argue that they felt threatened for their life. And that’s reasonable when somebody is walking down the street with a loaded active gun
That wasn't blm.. that was an opportunist
Real blm folks aren't causing harm. The fact that you villified blm comes straight out of the right wing playbook...
Sup with that?
It'll be hard to claim you felt threatened by someone that was running away from you. Like I said, if more info comes out things can change. But right now i haven't heard a single witness say Kyle said or did anything to Rosenbaum. So without that, no just his presence isn't enough to claim you felt threatened in an open carry state.
VA is an open carry state. If you're walking down the street and see someone carrying a gun you can't attack them. They'd have to do more. And as far as I know nobody has said Kyle did anything more to Rosenbaum.
You keep glossing over the fact that Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn't have had a gun, and that it was illegal for him to have said gun in the first place tho...
And that he ran to the scene of the first shooting in order to confront protesters that were breaking car windows.
No I don't. It's just not relevant. I said in my first post he should face charges for that. But it's my understanding that the legality of him possessing the gun doesn't impact his right to defend himself with it. If I'm wrong about that just let me know.
You just said someone possessing a gun illegally doesn't impact their right to defend themselves..
Soooooo one could assume by that logic.. even if someone was illegally destroying property.. they could defend themselves if they were being attacked or antagonized by someone also doing some illegal shit?
Im just trying to figure out why you are defending this piece of shit so much....
The video is in this very thread and I've quoted the original post where I first stated this fact in the last couple pages. Don't play oblivious now.
"By that logic...". No, I'm not debating logic with you. That's just the law. Just like you if you say "I'm 18 and old enough to die for my country. Well by that logic I can buy a beer". The cashier is still not gonna sell it because it's the law, and not a ethical debate.
But ya maybe someone in that situation could claim self defense. Here's the impasse I get to with everyone. What did Kyle Rittenhouse do to Joseph Rosenbaum to antagonize or attack him? Not a guess, not what did he do to other people (that we don't even know if Rosenbaum was aware of)...a witness account of what he did to Rosenbaum. We can't just make up a story to fit the narrative we want.
I've seen the video a bunch of times. Looked like he was just running from Rosenbaum. I'm not playing oblivious. But even if that was the case, he can legally confront people vandalizing cars (IN NOT SAYING HE SHOULD. I'M NOT SAYING HE SHOULD. I'M NOT SAYING HE SHOULD... you guys struggle hard with should vs legal). Legally confronting people vandalizing property doesn't give Rosenbaum the right to attack him.
If you see kids fuckin up your neighbors car, and you confront them (even if you're armed), another neighbor can't just come and fuck you up.
Brandishing an assault rifle around just gets waved off? How many people you think are going to attack someone head on that has an assault rifle if they dont feel that their life is in danger? You're twisting yourself into knots trying to find ways to defend this piece of shit and have been doing so for days now... I dont care to carry this conversation on any further. I'll see myself out
There are multiple videos. Including the one showing him running from one scene of the protest to the scene of the first murder.
You cannot "legally" confront someone while brandishing an illegal weapon and illegally acting as a police force. This is a 17 year old out-of-state resident, openly carrying a rifle in a non-open carry state, running to confront someone. Nothing about his actions are legal.
For someone who has been trying to pass their stance off as the "legal perspective", you should know that.
I've said more than once he should face charges for having the gun. Wisconsin is an open carry state...that's why so many people were open carrying...
I'll admit to being wrong about it not being an open carry state but you can't ignore all the other circumstances that make his presence at the scene of the first murder all the way illegal. No matter how you try to spin it. He didn't have the right to confront anyone while bearing arms. Add that to the fact that he ran to the scene...Your whole stance has been fraudulent from the jump.
Let's say you're right, and he did all that. Running (armed) towards the people vandalizing cars, doesn't give Rosenbaum justification to attack him.
He didn't attack him, he ran up behind him yelling "Fuck you" as the murderer was pursuing another person around one of the vehicles with his rifle at the ready.
Just stop with the objective, "legal" shtick. You know what time you're on. Just stand on that isht and quit the games.