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Mase Calls Out Puff For Bad Business & Not Letting Him Buy His Publishing Back

konceptjones said:
Why can't we hold people accountable for their fuck-ups? Serious question. These muhfuckas went in with their eyes closed and mad 'cause they fell in a hole.

Even if the label dangles a check, if they don't take it they're still in the same place they were already in. Nothing changes.
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we can hold people accountable for fuck ups by why we can’t hold people accountable for fucking somebody over. Taking advantage of the deaf dumb and blind ain’t never been a good thing
 
SKPJR said:
Keep it real. Bad Boy was the most overrated hip hop label in the history of the game. Outside of Big and The Lox they didn't have shit. Black Rob had potential but Puff fucked him so hard that his career was cut short. Fag ass Mase was corny as fuck and the rest of those clowns were just fucking clowns.

Bad Boy was a dope R&B label but that's it. They were pure ass juice when it came to rap. In the words of the goat:
"Fuck Bad Boy as a staff, record label and as a motherfucking crew
And if you want to be down with Bad Boy, then fuck you too!!!"
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Stop reading after the bold......100 plus million records sold and they're called overrated. Lol stop it b
 
Hellczar said:
we can hold people accountable for fuck ups by why we can’t hold people accountable for fucking somebody over. Taking advantage of the deaf dumb and blind ain’t never been a good thing
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I'm not saying that it is. And, yes, we can hold them accountable for screwing over artists but they can only fuck people over if everybody falls for the okie-doke. If everyone comes in armed with knowledge and scoffs at these fucked up deals, then the vultures can't eat.

Even back inna day, niggas didn't really need labels like that. I've seen enough niggas sellin' their tapes out the trunk of their cars and out their backpacks to know this. I've personally driven my homie around from one radio station to the next, one club to the next, one titty bar to the next, with copies of his 12" to drop off with the DJ's. Even I was working towards saving up my money to be able to press up 1000 copies of an EP that I was almost done recording before I switched gears and focused on production instead.

Niggas have had avenues to NOT get fucked over.
 
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Man reading the topic then fuck puffy for trying to check the grammys then if you not going to try and give/help/sell mase his shit back then by the way some of yall sound. wtf
 
Bender Rodriguez said:
Man reading the topic then fuck puffy for trying to check the grammys then if you not going to try and give/help/sell mase his shit back then by the way some of yall sound. wtf
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Cain said:
Stop reading after the bold......100 plus million records sold and they're called overrated. Lol stop it b
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And the vast overwhelming majority of that 100 million plus were white people who were looking for safe, non threatening, conformist ass negroes who would skin, grin, smile, show their teeth and dance on command. Puff and Mase didn't hesitate to do as they were told.

RKOto1ySKIA
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Miss me with that fag ass, finger snapping, white folks approved, corny nigga, commercialized, crossover bullshithit.
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Real dudes never participated in this fuck shit. You just exposed yourself.
 
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SKPJR said:
And the vast overwhelming majority of that 100 million plus were white people who were looking for safe, non threatening, conformist ass negroes who would skin, grin, smile, show their teeth and dance on command. Puff and Mase didn't hesitate to do as they were told.

RKOto1ySKIA
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Miss me with that fag ass, finger snapping, white folks approved, corny nigga, commercialized, crossover bullshithit.
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Real dudes never participated in this fuck shit. You just exposed yourself.
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I exposed the truth good sir, take a record label like for argument sake them fuck niggas at Deathrow. Crackas and wiggers wanting to be niggas bought that trash them niggas was putting out but nonetheless their albums sold. Which in turn made them relevant so if Bad Boy had them crackas fangaz snapping Deathrow had them same crackas wanting to be gangstas.

Different outcomes same effects you're basically exposing your bias to East Coast music b but you win b I'm wrong b..... word
 
konceptjones said:
Had to circle back to this and address it 'cause I forgot to earlier:

You know the 80's and 90's there was a shitload of independent labels out there, right? Small labels that would give their artists a fair deal without all the bullshit. Ichiban Records was one of those labels. Some of everybody got fair deals on Ichiban. It's where Vanilla Ice's "Play That Funky Music/Ice Ice Baby" 12" and his first album "Hooked" dropped (which was then bought out and repackaged as "To The Extreme" by SBK), It's were MC Breed's "Ain't No Future In Your Frontin'" 12" and his first 4-5 albums dropped on, and several other regional and national acts. Every city with a hip hop scene had indie record labels, some good, some bad, but those opportunities existed even back then.

Towards the end of the 90's, the major labels started buying out indie labels, so those opportunities started to dry up for mainstream music genres. But even with that there was still indie labels that exist even to this day.
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Im not on about labels bro, when I say independent Im mean dolo, like these rappers that make it big on their own via the social media grind and do not need a record deal such as: Soulja Boy, 69, Nas X, Lil Pump and Yachty etc and manage to crack the mainstream/commercial market and make real money... Even GxFR but they are kinda of a hybrid modern day internet grind mixed with 90s underground hustle/movement...

There were TONS of extremely dope underground labels and random 12" in the 90s, literally the 90s were littered with thousands of gems, be-it regional classics from the West from The B.U.M.S, Ahmad, The Coup, Daddy V, PUTS or 12" from the East such as Shades of Brooklyn, Scientifik, Mr Voodoo, Godfather Don etc you can literally dig for years and still find music from the 90s from the South, West and East that you didnt know existed but my point is they probably didnt make much money and had to or still work regular jobs...

Thats what I mean when I said, when a big label came along with a shady contact but a big budget, exposure and cash up front alot of rappers took it... Indi lables popped up and folded like deck chairs in the 90s...

After Def Jam... Master P, Uncle Luke, J Prince, E40, Suge, Puff, Slim & Baby are pioneers of the indi game (along with ROC) by managing to transition to the mainstream but not many indi labels were making artists millionaires or atleast stars...

Rawkus, Stones Throw and Imperium did well but compared to how much incredibly dope music was floating around in 90s they dont even scratch the surfice...

Thankfully YouTube and Discogs enable us to dig and still find the music from yesteryear...
 
Water Ur Seeds said:
Im not on about labels bro, when I say independent Im mean dolo, like these rappers that make it big on their own via the social media grind and do not need a record deal such as: Soulja Boy, 69, Nas X, Lil Pump and Yachty etc and manage to crack the mainstream/commercial market and make real money... Even GxFR but they are kinda of a hybrid modern day internet grind mixed with 90s underground hustle/movement...

There were TONS of extremely dope underground labels and random 12" in the 90s, literally the 90s were littered with thousands of gems, be-it regional classics from the West from The B.U.M.S, Ahmad, The Coup, Daddy V, PUTS or 12" from the East such as Shades of Brooklyn, Scientifik, Mr Voodoo, Godfather Don etc you can literally dig for years and still find music from the 90s from the South, West and East that you didnt know existed but my point is they probably didnt make much money and had to or still work regular jobs...

Thats what I mean when I said, when a big label came along with a shady contact but a big budget, exposure and cash up front alot of rappers took it... Indi lables popped up and folded like deck chairs in the 90s...

After Def Jam... Master P, Uncle Luke, J Prince, E40, Suge, Puff, Slim & Baby are pioneers of the indi game (along with ROC) by managing to transition to the mainstream but not many indi labels were making artists millionaires or atleast stars...

Rawkus, Stones Throw and Imperium did well but compared to how much incredibly dope music was floating around in 90s they dont even scratch the surfice...

Thankfully YouTube and Discogs enable us to dig and still find the music from yesteryear...
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old pic of 40 with cd's and tapes he sold out his trunk.

Too $hort, Ludacris, damned near every TX rapper... A whole lotta cats was gettin it sellin tapes and CD's out the trunk. That lane has always been there. Rappers just switched it up from tapes to CD's to mp3's. Same shit, new year, new tech. I've heard about local Detroit rappers driving up and down I-75 and I-40, stopping in every state with trunks full of tapes to sell. Shit, even a few years ago I ran across some Memphis or Nashville cats out here in Vegas sellin' their CD's at Walmart. I chopped it with one of them dudes and he told me they had been on the road for over a month just straight up slangin CD's.

These rappers got the same ideology, just a different medium to push.
 
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konceptjones said:
old pic of 40 with cd's and tapes he sold out his trunk.

Too $hort, Ludacris, damned near every TX rapper... A whole lotta cats was gettin it sellin tapes and CD's out the trunk. That lane has always been there. Rappers just switched it up from tapes to CD's to mp3's. Same shit, new year, new tech. I've heard about local Detroit rappers driving up and down I-75 and I-40, stopping in every state with trunks full of tapes to sell. Shit, even a few years ago I ran across some Memphis or Nashville cats out here in Vegas sellin' their CD's at Walmart. I chopped it with one of them dudes and he told me they had been on the road for over a month just straight up slangin CD's.

These rappers got the same ideology, just a different medium to push.
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Water Ur Seeds said:
There were TONS of extremely dope underground labels and random 12" in the 90s, literally the 90s were littered with thousands of gems, be-it regional classics from the West from The B.U.M.S, Ahmad, The Coup, Daddy V, PUTS or 12" from the East such as Shades of Brooklyn, Scientifik, Mr Voodoo, Godfather Don etc you can literally dig for years and still find music from the 90s from the South, West and East that you didnt know existed but my point is they probably didnt make much money and had to or still work regular jobs...
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Water Ur Seeds said:
After Def Jam... Master P, Uncle Luke, J Prince, E40, Suge, Puff, Slim & Baby are pioneers of the indi game (along with ROC) by managing to transition to the mainstream but not many indi labels were making artists millionaires or atleast stars...
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I agree and said this, bro... The Bay and Texas have always been known for their grind... Did you read what I typed??? I cited E40, Uncle Luke etc as the exceptions... Schitt didnt Uncle Luke end up buying out the pressing plant??

Again, compared to how many artists/rappers that were out at the time and hussled their tapes not many made that E40, Too Short, Luke money or stardom that life changing money or became more than local/regional stars...

I guess it was different on the East and and LA too where a contract was more sought after than the The Bay and South... In NY I dont think selling tapes borough to borough was a profitable than it was in The Bay or South, it was more mixtapes and radio with the view to getting a deal...
 
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TonyDubbz said:
@Chicity gonna spin the hell outta this shit once he gets here.


Nigga called Diddy his hero one day

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Ain't shit to spin, business is just that........business

2m hella low for Ma$e publishing. 2m's?????? I'm going thru the thread but I assume Diddy supposed to just give Ma$e his publishing outta the kindness of his heart huh?
 
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