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HBO DC's Joker

As i said earlier it's a great movie, but a so so joker movie. Watching that descent into madness was dope but it wasn't the Joker's madness.

The connections to the Batman universe were the primary weaknesses of the film.

The whole Thomas Wayne being his father? Weak. The dude killing Thomas AND Martha because of some political stance? Trash.

Leave all that out and the movie improves.
 
Bow to Royalty said:
Making it a condition made him less crazy. Wasn't feeling it. It's like thinking someone is a sociopath then finding out he has memory loss, and just doesn't remember his bad deeds
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But remember what he told his mom in the hospital? About how SHE told him his laughter was a condition, and he no longer felt it was. And now he embraced it.
 
TheNightKing said:
Did he not laugh joyfully after he shot the tv show host?

I guess it could have been up to interpretation, which is why I said having the laugh be a condition was genius.
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Fucc a laugh...wasn't that muthafucca dancin?? Lol!

Again...he JUST NOW started on this path to mayhem. By the time he killed the tv host...that is when he began to accept his "madness"
 
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He was in constant torment and pain... To me that's not joker

Joker has fun in madness... Joker is gleeful about murder...


This version was not. So to me it didn't connect.


Dope movie though
 
Duwop said:
He was in constant torment and pain... To me that's not joker

Joker has fun in madness... Joker is gleeful about murder...


This version was not. So to me it didn't connect.


Dope movie though
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How many times must I say NOT YET!

Lol, it’s an origin story. The Joker y’all referencing comes years later.

That’s like expecting Walter White to be the series finale version of himself in the first episode.
 
TheNightKing said:
How many times must I say NOT YET!

Lol, it’s an origin story. The Joker y’all referencing comes years later.

That’s like expecting Walter White to be the series finale version of himself in the first episode.
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We're not asking to see him as a fully established criminal mastermind. We're asking to see a personality. The jump the movie is asking to audience to make is too big... that's the problem

The Breaking Bad comparison doesn't make sense. You're comparing a multiple season show that told a story from beginning to end, to a 1-and-done movie.

But for Breaking Bad let's say it was a movie (instead of a show) that started out with him as final Walter White. His origin movie couldn't end with him nervously selling a bag of weed to a high school kid, because the jump from that to cold-blooded meth kingpin is too big. It wouldn't just be "Well, they did show he started dealing drugs. And I know he ends up a bigger version of that...so good job."

Was this a good Batman origin story too? They showed his parents get killed, we found out the motive behind it, we know the man that instigated it, we know why that man hated his father, and we know little Bruce ends up Batman.
 
Bow to Royalty said:
We're not asking to see him as a fully established criminal mastermind. We're asking to see a personality. The jump the movie is asking to audience to make is too big... that's the problem

The Breaking Bad comparison doesn't make sense. You're comparing a multiple season show that told a story from beginning to end, to a 1-and-done movie.

But for Breaking Bad let's say it was a movie (instead of a show) that started out with him as final Walter White. His origin movie couldn't end with him nervously selling a bag of weed to a high school kid, because the jump from that to cold-blooded meth kingpin is too big. It wouldn't just be "Well, they did show he started dealing drugs. And I know he ends up a bigger version of that...so good job."

Was this a good Batman origin story too? They showed his parents get killed, we found out the motive behind it, we know the man that instigated it, we know why that man hated his father, and we know little Bruce ends up Batman.
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Ok, keeping with the Breaking Bad comparison, the origin story could end with him meeting Jesse Pinkman and making his first batch of meth. It wouldn’t directly suggest he’d become this badass drug dealer that takes out bosses, but you could make the connection given our knowledge of what he becomes.

And that’s exactly what this movie does. It allows you to make the connection between this Joker and what other mediums show what he devolves into.

So can y’all not even see this guy becoming the Joker you expect him to be years down the road? I can.
 
TheNightKing said:
Ok, keeping with the Breaking Bad comparison, the origin story could end with him meeting Jesse Pinkman and making his first batch of meth. It wouldn’t directly suggest he’d become this badass drug dealer that takes out bosses, but you could make the connection given our knowledge of what he becomes.

And that’s exactly what this movie does. It allows you to make the connection between this Joker and what other mediums show what he devolves into.

So can y’all not even see this guy becoming the Joker you expect him to be years down the road? I can.
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That would show him meeting his partner and starting their business together. I'm cool with showing him making meth with Jesse, and asking me to make the jump that they eventually made more meth. That's the equivalent of Joker causing a smaller level of mayhem for the sake of mayhem. He never did that. Just killed people that did him wrong.

I get what you're saying. But for him to go from the mental state he had in the movie to The Joker's mental state something significant has to happen because he's far from it. Whatever happens needs to be shown.
 
"I know it seems strange, I don't mean to make you uncomfortable, I don't know why everyone is so rude, I don't know why you are; I don't want anything from you. Maybe a little warmth, maybe a hug dad, maybe a bit of common decency!"

That's him asking for warmth, love, and decency from who he thought was his dad.

"Have you seen what it's like out there, Murray? Do you ever actually leave the studio? Everybody just yells and screams at each other. Nobody's civil anymore. Nobody thinks what it's like to be the other guy."

That's part of his final speech before killing the show host. He's crying out for society to be kinder, and more compassionate.

So naw, it's not easy for me to see that this man became a chaos loving maniac from what's been shown. The writer's dropped the ball.
 
Bow to Royalty said:
"I know it seems strange, I don't mean to make you uncomfortable, I don't know why everyone is so rude, I don't know why you are; I don't want anything from you. Maybe a little warmth, maybe a hug dad, maybe a bit of common decency!"

That's him asking for warmth, love, and decency from who he thought was his dad.

"Have you seen what it's like out there, Murray? Do you ever actually leave the studio? Everybody just yells and screams at each other. Nobody's civil anymore. Nobody thinks what it's like to be the other guy."

That's part of his final speech before killing the show host. He's crying out for society to be kinder, and more compassionate.

So naw, it's not easy for me to see that this man became a chaos loving maniac from what's been shown. The writer's dropped the ball.
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But it’s not so much a stretch for him to have completely given up on society and take a fuck everybody attitude because of it.

He’s not asking for a kinder society, he’s accepting how fucked up it is and acting accordingly.
 
TheNightKing said:
But it’s not so much a stretch for him to have completely given up on society and take a fuck everybody attitude because of it.

He’s not asking for a kinder society, he’s accepting how fucked up it is and acting accordingly.
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The problem with this is it means to get rid of Joker people would just have to start acting better towards one another. This again, doesn't sound like the Joker I'm familiar with.
 
Man, this should end it.

And yet, Phoenix says the idea of sequel didn’t take long to manifest. “Long before the release or before we had any idea if it would be successful, we talked about sequels,” Phoenix said. “In the second or third week of shooting, I was like, ‘Todd, can you start working on a sequel? There’s way too much to explore.’ It was kind of in jest — but not really.”

Looks like Phoenix quickly realized more of the story between this movie, and how Joker ends up need to be told.

“Maybe Joaquin’s character inspired the Joker,” Phillips said. “You don’t really know. His last line in the movie is, ‘You wouldn’t get it.’ There’s a lot going on in there that’s interesting.”

That's the man that made the movie saying he doesn't even know if he's the same guy as the Joker we know. He's saying it's possibly not even an origin story.
 
Bow to Royalty said:
Man, this should end it.

And yet, Phoenix says the idea of sequel didn’t take long to manifest. “Long before the release or before we had any idea if it would be successful, we talked about sequels,” Phoenix said. “In the second or third week of shooting, I was like, ‘Todd, can you start working on a sequel? There’s way too much to explore.’ It was kind of in jest — but not really.”

Looks like Phoenix quickly realized more of the story between this movie, and how Joker ends up need to be told.

“Maybe Joaquin’s character inspired the Joker,” Phillips said. “You don’t really know. His last line in the movie is, ‘You wouldn’t get it.’ There’s a lot going on in there that’s interesting.”

That's the man that made the movie saying he doesn't even know if he's the same guy as the Joker we know. He's saying it's possibly not even an origin story.
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Don’t just skip the part where he says more story needs to be told to connect this Joker to the cannon Joker we know. That’s what I’ve been saying all along. It’s completely feasible this Joker turns into that Joker, we just need the story.

And he said maybe he inspired the Joker. But would you really want the Joker to be somebody sitting on his couch watching that Deniro show and all of a sudden say “hey, I think I want to be like that guy!”

Either way, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what they do with the next one and how they connect the dots.
 
TheNightKing said:
Don’t just skip the part where he says more story needs to be told to connect this Joker to the cannon Joker we know. That’s what I’ve been saying all along. It’s completely feasible this Joker turns into that Joker, we just need the story.

And he said maybe he inspired the Joker. But would you really want the Joker to be somebody sitting on his couch watching that Deniro show and all of a sudden say “hey, I think I want to be like that guy!”

Either way, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what they do with the next one and how they connect the dots.
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More story needs to be told is my whole point because where they left off doesn't connect him. Which would be ok if this was intended to be one of 2 or more movies telling his origin. But this is supposed to be the only movie. An origin story shouldn't end with 'I guess it's possible he could be the future guy" because the entire purpose is to tell the story of the future guy.

And Phillips said he doesn't even know if dude is the Joker. You can't tell the origin story of someone if you don't even know who they are. This backs what we're saying that this is a good story. It's just not good once you say it's Joker. Phillips is ok with that because he's basically saying "I never said it was him. This is the Arthur Fleck story."

I don't know how given all that, this is looked at as a good origin story movie.
 
Bow to Royalty said:
More story needs to be told is my whole point because where they left off doesn't connect him. Which would be ok if this was intended to be one of 2 or more movies telling his origin. But this is supposed to be the only movie. An origin story shouldn't end with 'I guess it's possible he could be the future guy" because the entire purpose is to tell the story of the future guy.

And Phillips said he doesn't even know if dude is the Joker. You can't tell the origin story of someone if you don't even know who they are. This backs what we're saying that this is a good story. It's just not good once you say it's Joker. Phillips is ok with that because he's basically saying "I never said it was him. This is the Arthur Fleck story."

I don't know how given all that, this is looked at as a good origin story movie.
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Guess we all agree to disagree. I could completely see this being a good origin story because I could see how the things that happened to him in this movies would make him say fuck everything and everybody, chaos it is.

Good debate though.
 
TheNightKing said:
Guess we all agree to disagree. I could completely see this being a good origin story because I could see how the things that happened to him in this movies would make him say fuck everything and everybody, chaos it is.

Good debate though.
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Ya. We just looked at it with different expectations. May get a 2nd one. We'll see.
 
TheNightKing said:
How many times must I say NOT YET!

Lol, it’s an origin story. The Joker y’all referencing comes years later.

That’s like expecting Walter White to be the series finale version of himself in the first episode.
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No...

I'm not buying not yet

They were going in one direction and called it something else saying they ain't get there yet.

Bullshit
 
I'm not going to make leaps of faith and reach that much to make it work.


Dude was crazy, but he wasn't joker.

Walter showed signs that he was who he was throughout the entire show.

From the second he blew up tucos warehouse.....

This ain't the same... Y'all reaching
 
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