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Not saying they're facts, just merely speculating away from the "taking over the country" objectives some people hold Russia to. I did mention that no one but the Kremlin really knows what the real goals or planned end game is.

Bro c'mon now... Russia's military is strong. Look at any measure of man power, technology, hardware and strategy. They're one of the strongest in the world and I can only assume the reason an American would have the audacity to claim otherwise is because your government has hammered anti Russian hatred into your populace since the cold war. Brainwashed against socialism for the same reasons.

Russia never made specific claims about taking over the country. Only to take nazism out and liberate ethnic Russians from western encroachment. Their claims of military strength are simply based on their relative ability, manpower and hardware compared to other nations around the world. Couple that with the prestige of historical exploits and the usual dose of propaganda and political war games that may sensationalize and overstate abilities in order to act as deterrents and play up global supremacy against the west.

If you're buying into that at the expense of being rational about their real power, that's on you. What ppl shouldn't do is say absurd shit like "Russia should have taken over the country in days based on their own claims" when it's you who's running vague "Russian claims" through your biased lens and you who is merely speculating on what their goals are. Their goals in Ukraine have to fall in line with the claims you're making for their military or your statement is irrelevant.

Which brings me to the next point and you said it yourself... 70 add mile from Belarus to Kyiv. The sheer manpower and hardware against a weak foe. It's laughable you think Russia was actually trying to make a real concerted effort to take Kyiv. Like really think about it...

I'm no longer interested in this convo :\ gl bro.

 

[Bobjones]

I'm no longer interested in this convo :\ gl bro.

Lol. Really though, you think Russia was trying to take Kyiv? Tell me why in the fuck, if you're leading a country making the very first attack in a war, would you NOT attack the capital - as opposed to some middle of nowhere Ukrainian town in the east - when you're trying to make a bold statement/send a message to Ukraine and the world at large that you mean business. It was an attempt to strike enough fear into the leaders of Ukraine to kick start negotiations in distinct favour of Russian interests. Zelenskyy and Co were scared shitless and only backtracked on potential negotiations when mfs like Boris Johnson flew over to Ukraine and convinced him that the entire West would provide all the support he needs. There was no real intention to take Kyiv at the outset. That's MSM feeding you garbage.