If you really go by timeline than its actually a godmother not a godfather who did it first, Sister Rosetta Tharpe... She influenced literially eveyone its a crime it took them so long to induct her into the Rock n Roll HOF... Im pretty sure she found Little Richard by taking him out the crowd and onto the stage as a kid...
Would You Consider Ray Charles The Father Of Rock N Roll/Rhythm & Blues?
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If you really go by timeline than its actually a godmother not a godfather who did it first, Sister Rosetta Tharpe... She influenced literially eveyone its a crime it took them so long to induct her into the Rock n Roll HOF... Im pretty sure she found Little Richard by taking him out the crowd and onto the stage as a kid...
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Yoooo Little Richard died??
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But does everyone know that tutti frutti on the rooti is referring to male anal sex?
The thing about Sister Rosetta Thorpe is that she's not really a pop phenomenon. Everybody doesn't know who she is. And sadly, the quality of her recordings are not up to par in 2019 like Ray Charles' music.
Unchain My Heart was recorded in 1961 and sounds just as good today as it did in 1961
And Ray Charles worked with Quincy Jones in 1961
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Yeah thats why I said I would give Chuck Berry the Godfather moniker if we are taking about the overall package: Timeline, skill, style of music, popularity, sales, live performances etc Ray Charles isnt purely Rock n Roll to me, yeah he has done Rock n Roll songs, as well as country and jazz but mainly done Blues and Soul...
But if we were to go purely with tracing the lineage of the genre and nothing else (which is hard to with the mix matching of how the genre begun) I think you would have to with Sister Rosetta Thorpe...
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The Elvis thing is weird because even Elvis didn't think of himself that way. He was basically a groupie for a lot of black artists at the time, and was pretty clear that everything he did was stuff he learned either from those artists or from going to Blues joints in Memphis. A lot of black people nowadays like to hate on him because of how white people damn near deify him, but the black artists at the time all loved Elvis. To them he was like the kid they watched come up. I think I saw an interview from James Brown about how Elvis used to sleep on his couch before he got his break.
On topic, I'm not sure how you draw the line of Ray Charles being the King of Rock and Roll though. As others of said, that wasn't really his lane. I think Chuck Berry is the one really credited with that.
On topic, I'm not sure how you draw the line of Ray Charles being the King of Rock and Roll though. As others of said, that wasn't really his lane. I think Chuck Berry is the one really credited with that.
I just came across a record that Ray Charles recorded in 1949. They're both Blues songs but it just goes to prove that Ray Charles was before anybody else in the conversation, and he went on to have a long career,.
Confession Blues - The Maxin (spelled with an n) Trio feat Ray Charles on Vocals (1949)
How Long Blues - The Maxim (spelled with an m) Trio feat Ray Charles on vocals (1949)
Here's a song from 1953 that could be considered Rock N Roll/Rhythm & Blues
Mess Around - Ray Charles (1953)
Taxi Blues - Little Richard (1951)
Get Rich Quick (1951)
This is clearly Little Richard's first song that would be considered "Rock N Rill/Rhythm & Blues)
Tutti Frutti - (1956)
As far as Chuck Berry goes, he may have had the first song that would be considered Rock N Roll/Rhythm & Blues (that people remember), but I'm not 100% convinced that he should hold the title, "The father of Rock N Roll/Rhythm & Blues", considering Ray Charles was first and also made that style of music.
Maybellene (1955)
Johnny B Goode (1955)
Confession Blues - The Maxin (spelled with an n) Trio feat Ray Charles on Vocals (1949)
How Long Blues - The Maxim (spelled with an m) Trio feat Ray Charles on vocals (1949)
Here's a song from 1953 that could be considered Rock N Roll/Rhythm & Blues
Mess Around - Ray Charles (1953)
Taxi Blues - Little Richard (1951)
Get Rich Quick (1951)
This is clearly Little Richard's first song that would be considered "Rock N Rill/Rhythm & Blues)
Tutti Frutti - (1956)
As far as Chuck Berry goes, he may have had the first song that would be considered Rock N Roll/Rhythm & Blues (that people remember), but I'm not 100% convinced that he should hold the title, "The father of Rock N Roll/Rhythm & Blues", considering Ray Charles was first and also made that style of music.
Maybellene (1955)
Johnny B Goode (1955)
Why the fuck your dumb ass keep saying "rock n roll/ r&b"?
There's no such thing. it's either Rock n Roll OR R&B.
Ray Charles only falls in one of those categories.
And Mess Around wasn't a rock song it was more Swing and Ragtime influence.
You're wrong.
White people didn't have a name for that style of music because it wasn't really played on the radio. My father grew up in that era, before Rock N Roll/Rhythm & Blues. He was born in 1941 and he remembers the music before Chuck Berry and Ray Charles became popular. He said it was basically the same thing but the difference is that it was by black artists and musicians and it came on really late at night (which reminds me of staying up late at night to hear Hip Hop when I was 12/13).
Anyway, when White people got ahold of that style of music they called it Rock N Roll. And then whenever a Black artist made a song they'd call it Rhythm & Blues, even though it was essentially the same thing. Basically it was Rock N Roll when White people did it and Rhythm & Blues when Black people did it. But it can all be traced to the same root.
I'll say this much, Ray Charles was certainly before Chuck Berry and Little Richard, but his earlier work was more Blues than Rock N Roll. Sometime in the mid/late 50s he adopted a more uptempo style that would be considered more Rock N Roll/Rhythm & Blues than his first few singles.
He also outlasted Chuck Berry & Little Richard, that's something to be taken into consideration.
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what do you mean he outlasted chuck berry and little richard?
ray charles died in 2004
chuck berry died in 2017 and was still performing
little richard is still alive and only stopped touring in 2013
fuck you mean?
ray charles died in 2004
chuck berry died in 2017 and was still performing
little richard is still alive and only stopped touring in 2013
fuck you mean?
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So far out of everybody in the conversation, Fats Domino has the most recordings from 1950-1954
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