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Woman arrested for fatal shooting of black woman

Not enough evidence to prove whether she shot her neighbor in the chest on purpose?



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Goldie said:
What’s the difference? I thought murder was intentional and manslaughter wasn’t.
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It's not that simple, B. Murder loosely means that you killed someone by an action that you took and you did it on purpose. Manslaughter means that you killed someone on accident or by proxy. But even with murder, in most states you have to prove that you you intended the person to die when you took the action. Like 'I shot the woman on purpose and I intended her to die when I did it.'. And then different states have different stipulations on 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree murder.

They charged her with 2nd degree murder. They didn't do 1st degree because they would have to prove that it was premeditated. In the article it specifies that even for the 2nd degree conviction, they would have to prove that she had a 'depraved mind' at the time of the shooting. That is the part that they don't feel like they can prove, according to the article.

Them instead charging her with manslaughter likely means 'I shot her on purpose but I wasn't necessarily intending to kill her, but she died anyway.'. So I guess we'll see.
 
mryounggun said:
It's not that simple, B. Murder loosely means that you killed someone by an action that you took and you did it on purpose. Manslaughter means that you killed someone on accident or by proxy. But even with murder, in most states you have to prove that you you intended the person to die when you took the action. Like 'I shot the woman on purpose and I intended her to die when I did it.'. And then different states have different stipulations on 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree murder.

They charged her with 2nd degree murder. They didn't do 1st degree because they would have to prove that it was premeditated. In the article it specifies that even for the 2nd degree conviction, they would have to prove that she had a 'depraved mind' at the time of the shooting. That is the part that they don't feel like they can prove, according to the article.

Them instead charging her with manslaughter likely means 'I shot her on purpose but I wasn't necessarily intending to kill her, but she died anyway.'. So I guess we'll see.
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What's weird is that if you do something like rob a bank and someone dies, you can be charged with murder because someone dying should have been seen as a potential consequence of robbing a bank. Prosecutors can make that case all the time. You would think a much larger leap in logic would be required for that.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
What's weird is that if you do something like rob a bank and someone dies, you can be charged with murder because someone dying should have been seen as a potential consequence of robbing a bank. Prosecutors can make that case all the time. You would think a much larger leap in logic would be required for that.
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Yeah, if someone dies in the commission of a predicate felon, you can also get charged with murder. But that's only certain states. Florida is one of them. I honestly think that's pretty silly.
 
mryounggun said:
It's not that simple, B. Murder loosely means that you killed someone by an action that you took and you did it on purpose. Manslaughter means that you killed someone on accident or by proxy. But even with murder, in most states you have to prove that you you intended the person to die when you took the action. Like 'I shot the woman on purpose and I intended her to die when I did it.'. And then different states have different stipulations on 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree murder.

They charged her with 2nd degree murder. They didn't do 1st degree because they would have to prove that it was premeditated. In the article it specifies that even for the 2nd degree conviction, they would have to prove that she had a 'depraved mind' at the time of the shooting. That is the part that they don't feel like they can prove, according to the article.

Them instead charging her with manslaughter likely means 'I shot her on purpose but I wasn't necessarily intending to kill her, but she died anyway.'. So I guess we'll see.
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This was actually a textbook case of premeditated first degree murder/hate crime. There's enough evidence and eye witnesses to get a slam dunk conviction. This case is so blatant it could be the blueprint for future murder 1 hate crimes.

She admitted she bought the gun with the intention of killing AJ = premeditation

She googled stand your ground laws = premeditation

She provoked AJ by attacking the children = premeditation

She admits to harassing the children and calling them slurs and throwing things = hate crime
 
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Disanthrope said:
This was actually a textbook case of premeditated first degree murder/hate crime. There's enough evidence and eye witnesses to get a slam dunk conviction. This case is so blatant it could be the blueprint for future murder 1 hate crimes.

She admitted she bought the gun with the intention of killing AJ = premeditation

She googled stand your ground laws = premeditation

She provoked AJ by attacking the children = premeditation

She admits to harassing the children and calling them slurs and throwing things = hate crime
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Na.
 
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