Who You Got: Drake, Kendrick or Cole?

[Maywood]

 

[PhenomTheMac]

He is what he has always been, an actor.

"Cosplay, a portmanteau of "costume play", is an activity and performance art in which participants called cosplayers wear costumes and fashion accessories to represent a specific character."

 

[PhenomTheMac]

Do you apply this same line of thinking to all rappers? Like skateboarder Wayne and Pill Popping Future?

Yes.

 

[Swabbie]

"Cosplay, a portmanteau of "costume play", is an activity and performance art in which participants called cosplayers wear costumes and fashion accessories to represent a specific character."

Y'all said he cosplayed being black. He can't cosplay something he is.

 

[shutupGabi]

Rap is WWE af

I will say that all this didnt start happening til drake fell off musically and got cornier over time. Long as he was on top of the game he was untouchable. Happens to everyone in entertainment

 

[Maywood]

Think piece Tuesday huh

 

[Keelroyal89]

Y'all said he cosplayed being black. He can't cosplay something he is.

Drake is definitely black. I think it's more accurate to call him an Uncle Tom.

 

[Swabbie]

we all just having fun at drake's expense right? no one actually thinks this song is good right?

 

[rip.dilla]

Oh boy


Niggaz talking about impartiality in this beef ... Pfft


There's loads of rappers you impartiality preachers DO NOT LIKE (Kendrick even being one of them) at all and wouldn't be partial if they were involved in a beef ...


Well I'm impartial because I never liked Drake and that's that...


Of course I'm gonna cheer if he's getting murdered on wax ... I've also highlighted his vulturistic tendencies musically on here way before Kendrick brought it to the attention of the mainstream/masses



You can fuck with his music and all cool but I honestly see any black person ferociously caping for Drake a little suspiciously... With no reservations



Kendrick won this beef hands down because he's a real student of this art called Hip Hop ...





A little hint...



RAP is a genre or part of HipHop... One of the elements however



Not everyone who can RAP is HipHop

 

[Lab Baby]

we all just having fun at drake's expense right? no one actually thinks this song is good right?

All these songs is ass to me... then again, I don't like 85% of what other ppl like so fuck my opinion. NLU is a hit, bottom line.

 

[WilberDMillz]

For real? I don't follow.

You cleared it up on a response to AP. I responded before I got to that post

 

[ZMaKEa]

This is a very Foundational Black American ass response my nigga I ain't even gonna lie lolololololololololol

Like, I get what you're saying but have you even taken a step back and looked at Drake specifically? How would any of this apply to a nigga with a Black father who was a musician and exposed him to and put him on to Black music?

The picture that you're painting is like Drake didn't have any inkling of what Black music was until he was an adult which is not the case. This nigga has been exposed to all types pf Black music and culture from his own family. So does that shit just get discredited or what are we talking about here?

I'm not trying to be silly either. I'm legitimately asking.

If a half Japanese person grew up in America and watched anime, and listened to Jpop all day do they have the right to go to Japan and culturally exploit Japan for their own gain?

Drake learning about Black American music is really no different than a White kid learning about it.

He's from Canada. He isn't from here. He represents himself as a Canadian artist. When he naturally speaks he has a Canadian accent.

Just because Drake knows about popular Black American music and creates it doesn't mean he knows about Black Americans that grew up in America.

This is the problem.

So called Black people in the West get to identify as their nationality and call themselves Nigerian or whatever.

But Black Americans being culturally dominant in the richest country to ever exist supposed to let everyone eat just because they are dark skinned and have coily hair.

No other group of people on Earth does this shit. And no other group of people get mocked from establishing very sound and relevant boundaries around their ethnicity and popular culture.

Like I said, this is not about race or ethnicity exclusively. It's about are you an actual American, did you grow up here, are your roots here?

Drake reps Toronto. He reps Canada. He's not from the USA. Your dad being Black don't mean shit. There's plenty of mixed ethnic Black Americans that grow up all over the world and we don't claim them. They are not American.

So why we gotta accept him?

 

[Maywood]

 

[SeaSnake]

Some of these justifications/excuses remind me of an old video I saw where this 30+ year old white pedo was trying to justify his love for 12 year old girls by saying “it was normal back in the day or in normal in <insert country/culture>”. Man fuck outta here w/ that weirdo shit. Let’s take the law out of the argument. You mean to tell me something isn’t off about a grown ass man being attracted to a chick who still rides the school bus? Like out of all of the “grown woman” options in this world, you’d rather have the chick who got after school detention?

Bruh military niggas used to love messing with highschool girls. It be the navy niggas too. I think it’s manipulation

 

[nex gin]

I recall a time when some native Africans looked at African Americans w/ a side eye. Damn…now I understand how Drake must feel

 

[Los216]

I used to love when ppl brought Preemo in those NY vs the South threads on the IC. That's when I would bring up Scarface who was born in Jersey. As far as Preemo, hip hop production was still in its developmental stages. All cats were doing was chopping Ultimate Breaks and Beats loops and scratching vocal samples. I'm not hip to Texas music in the 80s, but it's not they had a distinct sound until DJ Screw later on. Preemo took a sound that was still developing, and built on it along with Pete Rock and Large Professor. For that matter, most of the hip hop pioneers are from the Caribbean... they had to get acclimated with American culture as well as embrace their own to create hip hop.

To answer your question of whether rappers should only sound like their region... I say all that to say while hip hop embraces (mostly) all cultures and ppl, we pride ourselves on holding down our own culture, region and identity. I'm from Brooklyn but been out of NYC for 10 years. I love when ppl can tell I'm from NY by my accent. Living in Cali made me appreciate Nipsey, YG and them niggas, but it's not like I got a bunch of copycat DJ Mustard beats in my FL Studio folder. Look at what you said about Bow Wow... a child growing up in the industry coached by older rappers/producers from different regions on how to sound. Not having the space and time to develop his own sound, most music I heard from him sounds like whatever region it came from. Not his fault, just how he was trained. Plus he got a history of saying coon shit, so there's that.

As far as Drake goes, he may not be as guilty as an Iggy Azalea... but his sound has been consistently out of character for him, which is becoming more apparent as this battle progresses. He can't even dispel pedo allegations without sounding like a jilted white boy that got smoked in 2K. I'm not even on the "Not Like Us" bandwagon... to me, calling Drake a culture vulture is a reach. But I understand if someone questions his authenticity as a rapper, which is superficial in the grand scheme of things.

Ok but it sounds like you're punishing artist for not having one distinct sound.

Walk with me,

I've seen people attack Drake for not developing as an artist yet the same people will say that he has too many different sounds or jumps on waves. What if Drake is a talented artist that should not be boxed into having a specific sound from a specific region?

Personally I think it's harder to be Drake than it is to be Project Pat. Both are great artist but Project Pat has and always will sound like a Memphis artist. Is that because he grew up there and didn't experience Black culture and sounds from other regions or maybe he's just not talented enough to adapt to a different sound? None of that takes away from the fact that Project Pat is a beloved artist.

However, Drake has spent enough time in different pockets of hip hop and he's talented enough to jump on a track like Put It Down with Bun B which is a classic song and a certified banger and also jump on a track like Jumpman with Future which is another classic and banger and kill it on both of those songs.

Another thing that people never bring up in this conversation is that Drake also sings. So do niggas accuse Drake of being a culture vulture or not tapping into the Black American experience with singing too because that nigga does sing on songs too?

The point is that Drake has shown that he's pretty damn good at all of his musical attempts and that alone is what probably has niggas aggy. Why do people attack the rapping and not the singing? Singing is apart of the culture too but you don't see niggas complaining about that. If anything people try to force Drake to stop rapping and sing.

 

[shutupGabi]

while I'm on kendrick's side calling out drakes cultural inauthenticity (i dont necessarily agree with it, but points were made), drakes real inauthenticity is the conscious choice he made to be a vapid incel to appeal to these goofy ass bloggers and streamers. He had an opportunity to take his artistry to another level after the pusha situation but he chooses to put out double albums full of throwaways and leak meat pics instead.

 

[Maywood]

 

[Los216]

If a half Japanese person grew up in America and watched anime, and listened to Jpop all day do they have the right to go to Japan and culturally exploit Japan for their own gain.

Drake learning about Black American music is really no different than a White kid learning about it.

He's from Canada. He isn't from here. He represents himself as a Canadian artist. When he naturally speaks he has a Canadian accent.

Just because Drake knows about popular Black American music and creates it doesn't mean he knows about Black Americans that grew up in America.

This is the problem.

So called Black people in the West get to identify as their nationality and call themselves Nigerian or whatever.

But Black Americans being culturally dominant in the richest country to ever exist supposed to let everyone eat just because they are dark skinned and have coily hair.

No other group of people on Earth does this shit. And no other group of people get mocked from establishing very sound and relevant boundaries around their ethnicity and popular culture.

Like I said, this is not about race or ethnicity exclusively. It's about are you an actual American, did you grow up here, are your roots here?

Drake reps Toronto. He reps Canada. He's not from the USA. Your dad being Black don't mean shit. There's plenty of mixed ethnic Black Americans that grow up all over the world and we don't claim them. They are not American.

So why we gotta accept him?

All Black Americans don't grow up the same in America so what's your point?

Are you going to act like there hasn't always been a discourse on niggas who grew up in the city versus the country versus the suburbs?

You're trying to paint all Black Americans with a broad brush and put us all under one umbrella as if we can only be one way or share the same experiences. I'm sure half of the niggas on this site have spent the majority of their lives in one region. There is no singular Black American experience that you're trying to accuse Drake of appropriating.

 

[Royal]

Aaaand @Royal has entered the thread. What's your take on all of it?

I love drake...Lol, i could go deep and give my full thoughts....but no need. I mean shit, as an Atlanta native and avid Drake listener in my 20s and early 30s lol. I felt compromised.


Kendrick won this




And besides Drake is an October Scorpio ️....a Nov Scorpio would neva go out like this