COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

TheNightKing said:
Oh so it was a gotcha. Like I said, this shit goes far beyond message board banter and gotchas to me. I’m not even sure what the context for that was or what issue was being discussed.
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It's not a gotcha you're pretending as tho u don't know what Im asking when you've literally acknowledged it
TheNightKing said:
Yes there are systemic things that should have been addressed, but my point here and right now is that they haven’t done absolutely nothing. And have certainly attempted more than republicans and Trump will.
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Still not answering the question
 
BlackRain said:
That's not a 1 post answer and you smart enough to know that. That involves a deep dive in both fed and state policies, politicians, state fundings for certain things being taken away. But the short answer would be the topic you keep ducking...racism. because those policies if enacted in an equitable way would uplift Black people to a level white folks, both Dem and Republicans, aren't ready to see.
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How am I ducking racism? It sounds like Dems are part of the problem which is what I've been saying.
 
BlackRain said:
Now...which side is going on tv weekly to talk about the "plight of the white man" and has spent the last decade talking about how oppressed white people have been because of things done to help non white folks?
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The Republicans and Trump. They are pandering to their base to keep them confident while doing little to nothing for them, sometimes even fucking them over, like the Dems do with their bases.
 
'Both sides' shit aside I think the fundamental diff between me and the posters I usually go back and forth with is you guys (correct me if I'm wrong) see the Dems as meaning well but either too weak or incompetent, or innocent in terms of not wanting to go low, while I see them as complicit.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
It's not a gotcha you're pretending as tho u don't know what Im asking when you've literally acknowledged it

Still not answering the question
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Post the rest of the exchange.

And since you claim I don’t know, do you know what systemic issues you’re referring to? Give me specifics. You invoked it, now support it.
 
This might the one time I partially agree with the both sides ain't shit argument because white people in this country have never done anything legislatively simply on the basis that it was the right thing to do. Ever.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
'Both sides' shit aside I think the fundamental diff between me and the posters I usually go back and forth with is you guys (correct me if I'm wrong) see the Dems as meaning well but either too weak or incompetent, or innocent in terms of not wanting to go low, while I see them as complicit.
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And that’s where you’re wrong, with me at least. I view democrats only in relation to republicans.

We have a two party system unfortunately and one or the other is getting in. Which one do I think will do the best for me and black people in general is my only criteria.

And as long as I’ve been able to vote, it’s been democrats.

I think people that don’t vote have an unrealistic expectation not rooted in reality. No politician in your lifetime is going to do fully right by you. So your reasons for not voting are hollow in my opinion. Cause either way you’ll have to live under whatever politician those voting elect.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
I'm not claiming you don't know I'm asking u a very simple question and you're doing anything but answering it
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Are we still talking about the Democrat W’s for the last 60 years not fixing systemic issues? Or are you asking me to expound on the post you pasted?

If the latter, I need the context like I asked.

Either way, see my last post about why I vote Democrat. I’m not expecting them to be some sort of savior like MAGA treats Trump. Yes I know they can do better. I also know they’re going to do better than republicans and Trump.
 
Tayboo said:
This might the one time I partially agree with the both sides ain't shit argument because white people in this country have never done anything legislatively simply on the basis that it was the right thing to do. Ever.
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And thats my point in all this...no white man, or white women, dem or republican has did anything to help black folks ever

The shit we have is us fighting for it in the streets and making demands

Demands for equal pay, housing, school funding (still aint got that) etc etc...we demanded the shit 1st before we voted.

Demands came from FBAs and the grassroots....never from white folks and you got folks sitting in this thread on some these white folks on this side are better...goofy shit

One cut yo lights off and the other cut yo water off...both sides are white


One cut the voting act shit out and the other put the crime bill into play

One floods illegals into the black community around our kids, then feeds them and fattens them up while ignoring black folks plight...same black folks who help you win...
Another group wanna start wars

One group put together care packages for immigrants and shit...dress and cleans them up
Another group cuts some other shit..

Fuck both sides

They both hold up white supremacy and both aint got shit to give to black ppl but more excuses and pain

Fuck both sides
 
TheNightKing said:
Are we still talking about the Democrat W’s for the last 60 years not fixing systemic issues? Or are you asking me to expound on the post you pasted?

If the latter, I need the context like I asked.

Either way, see my last post about why I vote Democrat. I’m not expecting them to be some sort of savior like MAGA treats Trump. Yes I know they can do better. I also know they’re going to do better than republicans and Trump.
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Your post I screenshotted is u acknowledging Dems not addressing systemic issues in their own cities. I'm simply asking why have they failed to do so, or why, even if they have made attempts, are the results not satisfactory enough and the issues are still prevalent?
 
TheNightKing said:
Are we still talking about the Democrat W’s for the last 60 years not fixing systemic issues? Or are you asking me to expound on the post you pasted?

If the latter, I need the context like I asked.

Either way, see my last post about why I vote Democrat. I’m not expecting them to be some sort of savior like MAGA treats Trump. Yes I know they can do better. I also know they’re going to do better than republicans and Trump.
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Question

You say that the dems can do better? How so? When they have a track record of fucking over black ppl...

You think that the Republicans can do better?
 
Tayboo said:
This might the one time I partially agree with the both sides ain't shit argument because white people in this country have never done anything legislatively simply on the basis that it was the right thing to do. Ever.
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Chris Rock has a joke about the real progress with racism hasn't been Black people fighting as much as white folks just not being "as" racist as the past due to pressure being put on them both socially and economically. Which is why the idea of just backing out and hoping they'll do good by Black folks out the kindness of their hearts is a dream that doesn't have much chance of coming to reality.
 
Tayboo said:
This might the one time I partially agree with the both sides ain't shit argument because white people in this country have never done anything legislatively simply on the basis that it was the right thing to do. Ever.
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I honestly don’t care if they do it on the basis of it being the right thing to do. All I care about is progress and not going backwards.

I knew Trump would certainly take us backwards and there was a chance Kamala might move us forward, even if just a little bit. At minimum we wouldn’t be worse off.

And now here we are, 10 years lost.
 
TheNightKing said:
And that’s where you’re wrong, with me at least. I view democrats only in relation to republicans.

We have a two party system unfortunately and one or the other is getting in. Which one do I think will do the best for me and black people in general is my only criteria.
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The whole "at least we're not Republicans" works way more to their advantage, not their constituents. They can keep making excuses and drag people on and their supporters will take it, bc it's better than the alternative, even if it's stagnant.

And considering I see the Dems as complicit, I believe they use peoples rationalization such as yours to get away with a lot of bullshit, they just gotta play the optics game.
TheNightKing said:
And as long as I’ve been able to vote, it’s been democrats.

I think people that don’t vote have an unrealistic expectation not rooted in reality. No politician in your lifetime is going to do fully right by you. So your reasons for not voting are hollow in my opinion. Cause either way you’ll have to live under whatever politician those voting elect.
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If voting 3rd party wasn't pointless I'd vote 3rd party every election. Correct me if I'm wrong but to you, not voting is not the problem, not voting for Democrats is.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
'Both sides' shit aside I think the fundamental diff between me and the posters I usually go back and forth with is you guys (correct me if I'm wrong) see the Dems as meaning well but either too weak or incompetent, or innocent in terms of not wanting to go low, while I see them as complicit.
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I don't see Dems as incompetent because they're very much aware of things. I see them as having taken the idea that they are the party of progressive morality and rode that late 80s/90s wave too long. And by morality I mean the appearance of it amongst their political colleagues. Hence why Michelle Obama's "when they go low we go high" rang with that base in and around her age bracket. Because that's what they grew up being taught. But it's a different reality now and that won't get it done
 
ChicagoFigure said:
Your post I screenshotted is u acknowledging Dems not addressing systemic issues in their own cities. I'm simply asking why have they failed to do so, or why, even if they have made attempts, are the results not satisfactory enough and the issues are still prevalent?
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Here’s the post again.

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“It’s” systemic.

They’re not touching “that”.

“It’s” for optics.

What was it and that?

Hol’ up, I just realized the date. You really bringing up a post from August 2025?! And expect me to remember the context?

You better than this.
 
BlackRain said:
I don't see Dems as incompetent because they're very much aware of things. I see them as having taken the idea that they are the party of progressive morality and rode that late 80s/90s wave too long. And by morality I mean the appearance of it amongst their political colleagues. Hence why Michelle Obama's "when they go low we go high" rang with that base in and around her age bracket. Because that's what they grew up being taught. But it's a different reality now and that won't get it done
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No gotchas just genuinely trying to understand your viewpoint

1) when u say "by morality I mean the appearance of it..." Are u saying their morality is more superficial than it is substantive?

2) "when they go low we go high" won't get it done, are u saying the 'old way' is still getting in the way today?

3) if u don't see them as incompetent how can u genuinely not see them as complicit?
 
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