COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

ChicagoFigure said:
Crowd population is not a great metric.

They kept talking about Trump's low attendance yet he still won.
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True but there aren't really any metrics really to use besides who shows up to listen to her

Sure there are people that will show up that don't like trump like he mentioned but out of the 75M votes... I think majority voted for her rather than against trump. Do I have any proof of that? No. Does the other side have any proof against that? No
 
RandomOne said:
You're trying to say my point is flawed while also not having any realistic stats or sources for you own...
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What stat should I have for this particular discussion? The responses to the nonexistent exit poll questions about whether people voted for Kamala or against Trump? Keep in mind you've never actually provided a stat or source that proves the majority of people voted for Kamala because they liked Kamala. Your original basis for taking that stance was:

RandomOne said:
...it's difficult to believe the majority wasn't voting for her
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Then you made a stat devoid argument that people must have voted for Kamala because people wouldn't go to rallies if they were just voting against Trump. Where was your source for that? Your ass right?

Then when I point out a trend that undeniably happens every election cycle that conflicts with your belief, all of a sudden, the only things that are valid are what we have stats and sources for. Ok bruh. lol
 
The Lonious Monk said:


What stat should I have for this particular discussion? The responses to the nonexistent exit poll questions about whether people voted for Kamala or against Trump? Keep in mind you've never actually provided a stat or source that proves the majority of people voted for Kamala because they liked Kamala. Your original basis for taking that stance was:



Then you made a stat devoid argument that people must have voted for Kamala because people wouldn't go to rallies if they were just voting against Trump. Where was your source for that? Your ass right?

Then when I point out a trend that undeniably happens every election cycle that conflicts with your belief, all of a sudden, the only things that are valid are what we have stats and sources for. Ok bruh. lol
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I called the claim silly that she's not popular after getting 75M votes and used her campaign trail as an example. Logic would assume there are millions of people that voted for her out of 75M. Do I know exactly how many? No
 
RandomOne said:
I called the claim silly that she's not popular after getting 75M votes and used her campaign trail as an example. Logic would assume there are millions of people that voted for her out of 75M. Do I know exactly how many? No
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I didn't knock you for having that belief.

I'm just saying I think you're underselling the anti-Trump sentiment in 2024. Remember the Never Trump Republicans. You think any of them actually liked Kamala? They all claimed to vote for her though. I'm not saying I know for sure that the majority of that 75M voted against Trump. I'm just saying that I believe you are underestimating how much of a motivating factor beating Trump was for a lot of people in 2024.
 
I don't think this is all that complicated.

Enough people wanted Biden out u could feel the pressure growing until the DNC's hand was forced.

Kamala sparked huge new interest and motivation once they got his old ass outta there. That's what drew huge engagement.

Then she made the mistake of not distancing herself from Biden enough. That wasn't the only thing that worked against her tho.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
I didn't knock you for having that belief.

I'm just saying I think you're underselling the anti-Trump sentiment in 2024. Remember the Never Trump Republicans. You think any of them actually liked Kamala? They all claimed to vote for her though. I'm not saying I know for sure that the majority of that 75M voted against Trump. I'm just saying that I believe you are underestimating how much of a motivating factor beating Trump was for a lot of people in 2024.
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I get your point and I do believe there are a lot of repubs and even dems that voted against trump rather than for any candidate

I got curious and asked AI of the ones that lost with a huge popular vote..which ones had a "big" campaign

Hillary Clinton (2016): Her campaign was massive in every respect. She had a sophisticated and well-funded operation, outspending her opponent by a significant margin. Her campaign raised and spent hundreds of millions of dollars and had a large, national-scale organization with a strong emphasis on data, polling, and traditional advertising. Despite receiving nearly 2.9 million more popular votes than Donald Trump, she lost the Electoral College.

Al Gore (2000): The election between Gore and George W. Bush was one of the closest in history. Both campaigns were very large and well-funded, with massive spending on advertising and extensive travel. While Gore won the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, he ultimately lost the Electoral College after the Supreme Court decision in Bush v. Gore.
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Not surprised by Hillary. She had all kinds of celebs during hers
 
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