COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

[a.mann]

Why did these white folks vote for the racist republican candidate who ran against Obama.....

Why would they let a black man win 2x ..if they (in your words) wanna hurt people that look like you??? Why they let a black man win? Don't he look like you?

What you want us to believe is that this time...they voted for Trump to hurt people that look like you? but the last time with Obama (who looks like the ppl that you claim they wanna hurt) they decided to go fishing and not vote?

Doesn't make sense

Racism at it core “doesn’t make sense”
I just know it goes against all logic, reason and common sense

 

[Knock_Twice]

Racism at it core “doesn’t make sense”
I just know it goes against all logic, reason and common sense

The post you made was very misleading.....to say that the republicans wanted Trump in office because they wanna hurt folks who look like you.

You're painting the picture as republicans and democrats but in this case "white folks" wanted to for vote for Trump to hurt folks who look like you as this is something new. Like this a new thing that just started happening in 2024 wit Trump.

That is misleading and does not make sense. This may be a new thing to you now that your kind is getting most of the heat...but my kind and folks who look like me...always knew what the deal was

 

[TheNightKing]

Im speaking from data and a source i posted. U keep copping out bc u don't want to answer the question. This is not a real answer no matter how much u want to gaslight.

If black voter turnout would have stayed the same as it was in 2012 for Obama, Hillary would have won. If white college educated turnout would have stayed the same as 2012, Hillary would have won.

The declines in these voting demographics contributed to her loss.


Idk if you're being dense on purpose.

Racism played a significant role (7th time). We can debate how significant it was relative to voter turnout, but u won't do that. You're avoiding speaking on any other factors whatsoever I can only speculate bc it's inconvenient for u.

First time you’ve said significant. On that we agree now.

If you’re saying voter turnout had more to do with why Trump became president than racist backlash against a black president then we just disagree. It was certainly why he won the republican primary and put the whole party in a chokehold, which was the first step to him being president.

 

[a.mann]

The post you made was very misleading.....to say that the republicans wanted Trump in office because they wanna hurt folks who look like you.

You're painting the picture as republicans and democrats but in this case "white folks" wanted to for vote for Trump to hurt folks who look like you as this is something new. Like this a new thing that just started happening in 2024 wit Trump.

That is misleading and does not make sense. This may be a new thing to you now that your kind is getting most of the heat...but my kind and folks who look like me...always knew what the deal was

His 1st term, Trump failed them with broken promises and utter incompetence about job creation, affordable housing, affordable healthcare, lowering the deficit, etc etc

Only for them to put him back in power to offer them MORE broken promises and incompetence??

What logical reason to re-elect him?

 

[ChicagoFigure]

First time you’ve said significant. On that we agree now.

If you’re saying voter turnout had more to do with why Trump became president than racist backlash against a black president then we just disagree. It was certainly why he won the republican primary and put the whole party in a chokehold, which was the first step to him being president.

I have sources that support why I think what I'm posting. Do you?

 

[Knock_Twice]

His 1st term, Trump failed them with broken promises and utter incompetence about job creation, affordable housing, affordable healthcare, lowering the deficit, etc etc

Only for them to put him back in power to offer them MORE broken promises and incompetence??

What logical reason to re-elect him?

Same logical reason to re-elect the Biden/Kamala administration for another 4 years to not do nothing for people who look like me.

More broken promises and incompetence amongst them

 

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[a.mann]

Same logical reason to re-elect the Biden/Kamala administration for another 4 years to not do nothing for people who look like me.

More broken promises and incompetence amongst them

Unlike Trump and Republicans, when the politically ignorant say "Dems do nothing"

I can layout a comprehensive list of bills & policy conservative/Republicans consistently filibustered, blocked, obstructed and voted against that Dems have put forward.

From civil rights, improving infraction, jobs bill , minimum wage increase, education bills, healthcare reform, affordable housing, criminal justice reform, prison reform, gun control etc.etc.

 

[TheNightKing]

I have sources that support why I think what I'm posting. Do you?

You want me to source racism?

Yeah you source lower democrat voter turnout, and your OPINION is that it happened because people felt betrayed by Obama. That’s what you attributed it to.

But there was a high conversion from Obama to Trump in that election too, particularly in swing states. Yale attributes this as a major factor in Trump’s win.

Swing vote ‘trumped’ turnout in 2016 election

A new study concludes that people switching their votes from Democrat to Republican better explains the GOP’s success in 2016 than did increased turnout.

news.yale.edu

So it wasn’t just people sitting out. White voters looked at Trump and all his racist rhetoric and said “I’m cool with that.” So my OPINION is that racism, or apathy towards Trump’s racism, played a role.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

You want me to source racism?

Yeah you source lower democrat voter turnout, and your OPINION is that it happened because people felt betrayed by Obama. That’s what you attributed it to.

But there was a high conversion from Obama to Trump in that election too, particularly in swing states. Yale attributes this as a major factor in Trump’s win.

Swing vote ‘trumped’ turnout in 2016 election

A new study concludes that people switching their votes from Democrat to Republican better explains the GOP’s success in 2016 than did increased turnout.

news.yale.edu

So it wasn’t just people sitting out. White voters looked at Trump and all his racist rhetoric and said “I’m cool with that.” So my OPINION is that racism, or apathy towards Trump’s racism, played a role.

Data and surveys that analyze their findings don't just up and ask people "are you racist?" Is that how u think it works?

Did u look at any actual expert studies or are u just going off vibes and feelings and basing your opinion solely on that?

 

[TheNightKing]

Data and surveys that analyze their findings don't just up and ask people "are you racist?" Is that how u think it works?

Did u look at any actual expert studies or are u just going off vibes and feelings and basing your opinion solely on that?

They also don’t ask people why did you sit out. You said it was because Obama was more of the status quo.

So you’re also going off of vibes and feelings. Those people could have sat out for any reason. At least my vibes and feelings are based on black people’s experiences with racism.

I know backlash from having a black president when I see it. Why else would the most overtly racist candidate become president right after the black president?

But because you like to condescend, you think your vibes are greater than others.

Either way, have your last remarks and we can move on.

 

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[StringerBell]

 

[RandomOne]

Maga likes to forget that they were in power when he was arrested. Both sides sat on it

 

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[Knock_Twice]

Unlike Trump and Republicans, when the politically ignorant say "Dems do nothing"

I can layout a comprehensive list of bills & policy conservative/Republicans consistently filibustered, blocked, obstructed and voted against that Dems have put forward.

From civil rights, improving infraction, jobs bill , minimum wage increase, education bills, healthcare reform, affordable housing, criminal justice reform, prison reform, gun control etc.etc.

Unlike Trump and Republicans, when the politically ignorant say "Dems do nothing"

I can layout a comprehensive list of bills & policy conservative/Republicans consistently filibustered, blocked, obstructed and voted against that Dems have put forward.

From civil rights, improving infraction, jobs bill , minimum wage increase, education bills, healthcare reform, affordable housing, criminal justice reform, prison reform, gun control etc.etc.

Oh ok.

Those policies dont even apply to you...your life is fine my boy....you aint missing no meals...you weren't missing any under Biden and you not missing any now

 

[RandomOne]

They need cause to fire him. Can't just say they don't like his policies. They're trying to build some evidence of him even if it's fabricated because firing the fed chair WILL go to court (and crash the markets)

 

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[ChicagoFigure]

They also don’t ask people why did you sit out. You said it was because Obama was more of the status quo.

So you’re also going off of vibes and feelings. Those people could have sat out for any reason. At least my vibes and feelings are based on black people’s experiences with racism.

I know backlash from having a black president when I see it. Why else would the most overtly racist candidate become president right after the black president?

But because you like to condescend, you think your vibes are greater than others.

Either way, have your last remarks and we can move on.

Dislike of candidates or campaign issues was most common reason for not voting in 2016

The share of registered voters who cited a "dislike of the candidates or campaign issues" as their main reason for not voting reached a new high of 25%.

www.pewresearch.org

Election 2016: Exit Polls (Published 2016)

Updated as results become available.

www.nytimes.com

1) Republicans reasons for voting trump was more bc they dislike Hillary
2) Republicans most important candidate quality was bringing change, Dems was experience (establishment)

https://digitalcommons.murraystate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1054&context=crps

Through the Lens of Populism: The 2016 Election - December 23, 2017 - USC Schaeffer

This blog discusses how populist beliefs and disagreement with evidence-based statements vary by favored presidential candidate, political party, region of the country, and who won the election. - December 23, 2017

schaeffer.usc.edu

 

[Inori]

somebody @ me when we start talkin about the bullshit trump doing in his current term now again which is what I thought this thread was about. Thanks in advance!