COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

ChicagoFigure said:
Do u mean US farmers? Bc we are talking about international. No one knows how to consume and spend like the US. Sure other countries may try to use any newfound leverage to their advantage, but nobody buys like we do. They'll be back.
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lol Sure, they'll be back to supply us, but doesn't mean we'll get them back as mutually beneficial trade partners. That's what matters. The U.S. is not the only game in town. If other countries feel like they can fill the void with a combination of more reliable partners, that's what they'll do.

ChicagoFigure said:
BRICS has 11 members. It started with 5 countries in 2006. 5 more joined under Bidens administration. One more joined weeks before Trump's 2025 inauguration. Regardless the dollar has been on a massive decline for a while now and the economy was not good under Biden. If u wanna argue it was better go ahead, but not by much.
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Whether you Biden's economy was "good" or not is debatable, but it's not debatable that it was better than what he inherited. When Trump inherited it, the economy was on the incline. He has since tanked it by pretty much every measure we commonly use. I'm not sure how you can claim there's not much of a difference. The big knock against Biden's economy was inflation. That's even worse now and is poise continue to grow.


ChicagoFigure said:
Walz would not be saying that if Biden was president. Did he say anything when that administration armed and funded the genocide? Let's be real here
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He did say that we weren't honest actors before. His point wasn't that we were always in the right and now we're bad. His point was that we were problematic before and now we've descended to a point where we can't be trusted at all. He's right. If I was a global leader, I wouldn't trust America either even after Trump is gone.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
lol Sure, they'll be back to supply us, but doesn't mean we'll get them back as mutually beneficial trade partners. That's what matters. The U.S. is not the only game in town. If other countries feel like they can fill the void with a combination of more reliable partners, that's what they'll do.
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My point is we are the biggest game in town and that won't change. If someone comes in ready to do business as usual, business as usual will resume. But to your point, there is still more potential damage to be done so I won't keep going up this hill beyond that.
The Lonious Monk said:
Whether you Biden's economy was "good" or not is debatable, but it's not debatable that it was better than what he inherited. When Trump inherited it, the economy was on the incline. He has since tanked it by pretty much every measure we commonly use. I'm not sure how you can claim there's not much of a difference. The big knock against Biden's economy was inflation. That's even worse now and is poise continue to grow.
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My point with this wasn't to compare to what extent each administration's job on the economy was, as much as it was to point out the trend of the dollar weakening began long before Trump. Each administration exacerbated it one or two steps farther. They all keep kicking the can down the road, but where we are headed is practically inevitable, and would've been so even if Kamala won.
The Lonious Monk said:
He did say that we weren't honest actors before. His point wasn't that we were always in the right and now we're bad. His point was that we were problematic before and now we've descended to a point where we can't be trusted at all. He's right. If I was a global leader, I wouldn't trust America either even after Trump is gone.
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My point is that the point of no return didn't just happen now. And under the same exact circumstances, if Biden or Kamala were on the throne, he would say the complete opposite.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
My point with this wasn't to compare to what extent each administration's job on the economy was, as much as it was to point out the trend of the dollar weakening began long before Trump. Each administration exacerbated it one or two steps farther. They all keep kicking the can down the road, but where we are headed is practically inevitable, and would've been so even if Kamala won.
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This might be true, but slowrolling it would help us prepare for the inevitable. The dollar tanking like it has been will screw us all.

ChicagoFigure said:
My point is that the point of no return didn't just happen now. And under the same exact circumstances, if Biden or Kamala were on the throne, he would say the complete opposite.
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It remains to be seen if we've reached a point of no return, but if we have it absolutely is because of Trump. Trump being president is a big part of why confidence was lowered in the first place. You can't just both sides this. Biden/Kamala might not have been good options, but they aren't the same as Trump. That's just a fact.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
This might be true, but slowrolling it would help us prepare for the inevitable. The dollar tanking like it has been will screw us all.
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We've been slow rolling for decades and we are as unprepared as we've ever been.
The Lonious Monk said:
It remains to be seen if we've reached a point of no return, but if we have it absolutely is because of Trump. Trump being president is a big part of why confidence was lowered in the first place. You can't just both sides this. Biden/Kamala might not have been good options, but they aren't the same as Trump. That's just a fact.
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I'd argue we wouldn't be where we are today concerning Iran without Biden and co supporting, arming and funding the Gaza genocide followed by their antagonizing all Iranian proxies.
 
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ChicagoFigure said:
For some reason ppl forget the rare instances "both sides" unilaterally come together are precisely for wars.
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Shit I see both sides more against war this time. At least for now.

And no, Trump has done immense, maybe irreparable damage to our reputation. Other countries thought that even though leadership could change every 4 years, the US would uphold certain ideals in that change. Now that basis is shot to hell and we only have Trump to thank for that. There is no two sides there.
 
TheNightKing said:
Shit I see both sides more against war this time. At least for now.
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Who exactly are u referring to? The people in power or the voters? Wanna make sure we referring to the same group of people
TheNightKing said:
And no, Trump has done immense, maybe irreparable damage to our reputation. Other countries thought that even though leadership could change every 4 years, the US would uphold certain ideals in that change. Now that basis is shot to hell and we only have Trump to thank for that. There is no two sides there.
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Everyone around the world knows the election was split damn near 50/50. Using the words "irreparable damage" means u need an algorithm cleanse.
 
Hey... @ChicagoFigure... don't mistake my LOLs as support. I just want you to keep showing us who you are. Ol' neckbeard ass "well... actually" "both sides" "do your own research" ass motherfucker.

One day you're gonna educate us about the shit we see with our own eyes. Just keep trying.
 
Infamous114 said:
That doesn't look like her tbh
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