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OPINION The Wire - A Hindsight Discussion

Avon and string were a two headed monster.

Either one of them could have been more successful with the other out of the way. That's what makes this a debate.

Avon recognized Marlo for what he was. Avon also had a line with the Greeks. He never needed prop Joe. Never

If Avon was allowed to do things his way, or had a #2 who was meant to be a #2 he would have been fine. Dude was very close to wiping Avon out when he got caught. His bankroll was higher. Them Niggaz had grenades and rocket launchers. Shit was bout to be dumb. And Avon would have eventually used his connects for a better product. His way was street. He embraced who he was. He was going to rule just the Westside off Baltimore forever, and that was cool with him.

But just like Marlo wasn't meant to play the son, string wasn't meant to be a #2.

Poetic Justice got him screwed with Clay. 10 times outta 10 string either makes that deal, or it eventually comes into fruition. String knew how to grow the money, he just didn't care about corners. He might have struggled, but dude would have gotten it together eventually. His move to kill Avon was stupid though. Cops love showing names on paper. No matter how you look at it, stringer name on that paper was a death sentence. But at the same time, no Avon stringer would have been free to grow the money.
 
He eventually got the connect though his reputation. Yes Joe was his rival for the good line but my point is Avon could have fought and won that connect in the streets. His rep was valid enough.

It was clear the Greek didn't care who he dealt with as long as they were professional.

Avon was well aware they had better product, he just didn't want to partner with Joe. He would've gotten that connect on his own terms eventually.
 
He didn't need Joe, he just needed Joe dead. As soon as Marlo killed Joe, Avon was next up. If he was not in jail it would have been the same. Only difference is he would have to eliminate Marlo too.

But with both of them out the way, there's no way Avon doesn't get the Greek
 
King Du said:
He eventually got the connect though his reputation. Yes Joe was his rival for the good line but my point is Avon could have fought and won that connect in the streets. His rep was valid enough.

It was clear the Greek didn't care who he dealt with as long as they were professional.

Avon was well aware they had better product, he just didn't want to partner with Joe. He would've gotten that connect on his own terms eventually.
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But no other nigga but Prop Joe knew bout the Greek having the work and Avon nor Stringer were cold blooded to take out Prop Joe
 
King Du said:
He didn't need Joe, he just needed Joe dead. As soon as Marlo killed Joe, Avon was next up. If he was not in jail it would have been the same. Only difference is he would have to eliminate Marlo too.

But with both of them out the way, there's no way Avon doesn't get the Greek
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He didn't know the greek until he got locked up the second time and by that time the Barksdale crew was over. Even if he hadn't got locked up he would have never got in contact with the greeks because no one knew who joe's connect was.
 
Elzo69Renaissance said:
But no other nigga but Prop Joe knew bout the Greek having the work and Avon nor Stringer were cold blooded to take out Prop Joe
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Avon never liked prop Joe.

And the issue of quality of product didn't come up till Avon was locked... He was limited in securing a better connect. It was tough cuz he was in jail a but he was looking.

You can't tell me considering how quick the Greeks were able to trust Avon that he didn't have a line to them at some previous point.

If it came down to killing Joe to get that connect, and Avon was on the streets.... He's had made that move.

In fact that was the whole reason he got locked.. He was fighting for his corners the best way he knew how.....

Dude was always willing to go to war.

I have no doubt after Marlo was gone, Avon would have gotten himself a meeting with that dude.

He apparently got the meeting with just his rep in jail

Imagine if he still had the corners to push it.

Him giving Marlo that West side and nod was saying that a West side nigga was always gonna be King. If it's not Avon, then it's Marlo.

Had string never turned on Avon, he would have eventually gotten with the Greek. It was organic
 
Chi-Town B said:
He didn't know the greek until he got locked up the second time and by that time the Barksdale crew was over. Even if he hadn't got locked up he would have never got in contact with the greeks because no one knew who joe's connect was.
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But the Greek already knew who Avon was by reputation. That's what y'all missing
 
The Greek aligned with Avon in prison.

Like, that speaks volumes.

Avon had nothing but rep at that point, like y'all said.. He had no crew.

Avon on the streets with corners... He's much more appealing.... The beef was between Avon and prop Joe before Marlo became a problem.

Prop Joe never had muscle. The only reason Avon ain't beat Joe was stringer. Brother was a one man army. It took string getting omar involved. With out that interference... Avon makes moves on Joe upon release..... The shots were already fired
 
King Du said:
But the Greek already knew who Avon was by reputation. That's what y'all missing
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The Greeks was too cautious, they wouldn't have worked with Avon while he was still dropping bodies in a war over corners. Why you think Joe was about to kick Stringer out the Co-Op because Avon was out of control. The greeks would have never came to Avon, he was too much of a risk.
 
And Du you talking about Avon waiting for Marlo to kill Joe, you forgot that Marlo was about to die the night Avon got locked up. It just happens that while Slim Charles was waiting on the go ahead Avon was getting put in handcuffs at the same time.
 
Elzo69Renaissance said:
Fam ur theory is hypothetical even

that was never established
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Established? He was the way in like a week after prop Joe was killed.

The time that passed was not wide enough for Avon to establish that kind of relationship to be established. You can call it a plot hole if you want, but I think that was deliverer l deliberately set up to show that if it wasn't Marlo who killed Joe and took the connect, it definitely would have been Avon.

The whole point of the show was that everything keeps going. Everyone is expendable. Marlo was nothing but a younger Avon, hence Avon saying there's always gonna be a Marlo.
Dude was primed for that spot. He just got sidelined by string
 
Chi-Town B said:
And Du you talking about Avon waiting for Marlo to kill Joe, you forgot that Marlo was about to die the night Avon got locked up. It just happens that while Slim Charles was waiting on the go ahead Avon was getting put in handcuffs at the same time.
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Exactly. And who you think was next?

Avon knew about the table Niggaz was sitting at, and he knew they were sharing a package.

How you think he wasn't going to go after that?
 
Bruh, as soon as prop Joe was dead, Avon was the Greeks guy.

You not up next unless you up next.

Avon would have had that connect following Joe's death Marlo or not.

I saw that as the whole point of bringing him back to begin with.
 
I honestly don't think Avon was smart enough to do that shit, nigga was content with what he had. Avon wanted his corners and nothing else.
 
Don't matter what you think. What it's consistent it's that right after Joe died, the first person the Greek went to was Avon. And Avon gave the blessing for Marlo too be the go to.
 
If Avon wanted Joe dead then it would have happened long ago. Avon was content with running the west side and didn't care about those east side bitches. Avon only cared about the west side, he wasn't built for that entrepreneur shit like Joe and Stringer. Avon knew what he was and what he wasn't.
 
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