The Generation Gap
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God_Body
Check yourself, what percentage is you?
Have you heard Doc 2, 2.5, 1992? Can you dispute what I said?
SeaSnake
OG
He trash so no
God_Body
Check yourself, what percentage is you?
Aye table 7, needs more biscuits and gravy. FOH.
Word....Life
Haa..I threw that shit before I walked in tha ROOM
I’m going back listening to these albums today/tonight cuz I stopped fuckin’ wit’ Game’s music after a certain point...but after I listen to them I’ll @ u....
How many song will I make it theubif I ff every time he randomly name drops another rapper?? Just a question lol
Mister B. M. Ed.
The Devil’s Greatest Advocate…..
This topic is starting to inch down to whether you think Kendrick is official, old-school or new-school. I'd say he's still outside the Top 20, but give him two more albums and 4-5 years of his current status, he'll be in the running for Top 10.
As for the rest of the debate, it's weird. I'm 36 (born in '82), so I came up as a young'un in the cross of that late 80s/early 90s era of hip-hop, smack dab between both golden eras. I was older enough to appreciate the 2nd golden age (92-96), and all the artists that emerged from that: Nas, BIG, Pac, the Wu-Tang, Tribe, LOX, and Jay to name a few. The mafioso rap era didn't help for those guys images, but it did make for some pretty good music, whether we want to admit it or not.
As we got into the 2000s, the mafioso rap scene died out and the shiny suit/bling-bling scene came in. that's when hip-hop started to fall off. At least those guys were making great albums. With the bling-bling era, it was just one club hit after another, with albums full of filler and no one standing out.
I think the ringtone era of 2005-2011 pretty much bottomed hip-hop out; most of us 80s babies were grown adults now, and that shit turned us off the hip-hop almost completely. Nas was almost right when he said hip-hop was dead....it was more comatose at that time.
As for now, with this trap shit ALL over the place, and the very essence of hip-hop (i.e. lyricism and skillset) being pushed to the side, most of us that have been turned off to this shit just want a return to the true school: I just want to hear quality bars on a track on radio, instead of no-talent muhfuckas riding repetitive beats to half-ass versions of "greatness."
Most of us "old niggas" would be perfectly fine if everyone from the 90s never made another mainstream project again.....IF we knew there was a class of dudes to take their place, in terms of blending skill level with production and concepts. Outside of Lupe, K. Dot, J. Cole, and lesser knowns like Joey Bada$$, Dave East and a few others, there's no one to really pass that torch to.
Bussa Bus and Q-Tip said it perfectly....and this was more than 10 years ago.
As for the rest of the debate, it's weird. I'm 36 (born in '82), so I came up as a young'un in the cross of that late 80s/early 90s era of hip-hop, smack dab between both golden eras. I was older enough to appreciate the 2nd golden age (92-96), and all the artists that emerged from that: Nas, BIG, Pac, the Wu-Tang, Tribe, LOX, and Jay to name a few. The mafioso rap era didn't help for those guys images, but it did make for some pretty good music, whether we want to admit it or not.
As we got into the 2000s, the mafioso rap scene died out and the shiny suit/bling-bling scene came in. that's when hip-hop started to fall off. At least those guys were making great albums. With the bling-bling era, it was just one club hit after another, with albums full of filler and no one standing out.
I think the ringtone era of 2005-2011 pretty much bottomed hip-hop out; most of us 80s babies were grown adults now, and that shit turned us off the hip-hop almost completely. Nas was almost right when he said hip-hop was dead....it was more comatose at that time.
As for now, with this trap shit ALL over the place, and the very essence of hip-hop (i.e. lyricism and skillset) being pushed to the side, most of us that have been turned off to this shit just want a return to the true school: I just want to hear quality bars on a track on radio, instead of no-talent muhfuckas riding repetitive beats to half-ass versions of "greatness."
Most of us "old niggas" would be perfectly fine if everyone from the 90s never made another mainstream project again.....IF we knew there was a class of dudes to take their place, in terms of blending skill level with production and concepts. Outside of Lupe, K. Dot, J. Cole, and lesser knowns like Joey Bada$$, Dave East and a few others, there's no one to really pass that torch to.
Bussa Bus and Q-Tip said it perfectly....and this was more than 10 years ago.
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Word....Life
Haa..I threw that shit before I walked in tha ROOM
This where tha disconnect at wit’ a lot of tha old heads tho...comin’ from an old head...there are waaaay more new artist that are out there that are really fuckin’ dope...no matter what style...what genre style...what region you looking for...there’s a bunch of quality shit out there you/we just gotta accept tha new niggaz for who they are and stop comparin’ everything to tha mid 90’s...if not you gonna miss out out some great music
It's not that there's not new stuff coming out, or that the quality of the music isn't as good. The issue is that I'm not at an impressionable age. I don't idolize rappers like I did when I was 15.
When I was 15 I was memorizing entire rap albums. I was even memorizing albums by people that weren't that good like Dana Dane, Steady B and Schooly D.
Back then they sold 90 minute tapes and you could usually fit an album on side A of the tape and another album on side B (albums were shorter back then). So you'd listen to an entire album, then flip the tape over and listen to the album on the other side. It didn't take long to remember both sides word for word.
Nowadays I spend about as much time listening to new music (relatively speaking) as I do listening to old school Hip Hop. Also my taste has evolved so I'm listening to Jazz, Reggae, Soul, I've even been listening to Classic Rock and Punk Rock lately. Also Gospel.
My point is that I don't live and breathe Hip Hop like I did when I was 15, that's why these (relatively) new cats like Kendrick, Lupe, Kanye, J Cole, Future, etc. don't make an impression on me like KRS, Rakim and LL Cool J did when I was 15.
When I was 15 I was memorizing entire rap albums. I was even memorizing albums by people that weren't that good like Dana Dane, Steady B and Schooly D.
Back then they sold 90 minute tapes and you could usually fit an album on side A of the tape and another album on side B (albums were shorter back then). So you'd listen to an entire album, then flip the tape over and listen to the album on the other side. It didn't take long to remember both sides word for word.
Nowadays I spend about as much time listening to new music (relatively speaking) as I do listening to old school Hip Hop. Also my taste has evolved so I'm listening to Jazz, Reggae, Soul, I've even been listening to Classic Rock and Punk Rock lately. Also Gospel.
My point is that I don't live and breathe Hip Hop like I did when I was 15, that's why these (relatively) new cats like Kendrick, Lupe, Kanye, J Cole, Future, etc. don't make an impression on me like KRS, Rakim and LL Cool J did when I was 15.
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
I'm just barely older than the OP.
I can't listen to Kurtis Blow, Melle Mel, et al and I grew up in that era. Once Rakim flipped the game, THAT's when I really fucked with hip hop and that's why he's always going to sit at my #1 spot. Don't get me wrong, there's some old shit that I still fucks with but that's mainly 'cause they're old break dancing staples like Newcleus' "Computer Age (Push The Button)", Twilight 22's "Siberian Nights", and Man Parrish's "Boogie Down Bronx", and a handful of joints like Fat Boy's "Can You Feel It", but I ain't really fuckin with that "Yes Yes Y'all" shit.
As far as newer cats I fuck with, some of them have zero radio presence like Clear Soul Forces and A.F.R.O.
More popular cats I fuck with from time to time would be Lupe Fiasco and Kendrick. J. Cole raised my eyebrow on a track with Royce the 5-9 so now I'm going back through his shit. Dave East had some shit I fucked with too.
For me to fuck with 'em, rappers gotta have skills and dope beats. The vast majority of the cats out right now just don't fit that mold at all.
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
I fucks with creative lyricism and that's 100% the reason I don't fuck with these popular rappers today; these new niggas are spittin repetitive ass simple Simon ass bars.
I listen to an absolutely absurd number of mixtapes on a regular basis, that's how I first came across Dave East. If I hear someone spittin nice, I check out their other shit. It just so happens that it rarely ever happens, so from my perspective these new niggas are trash.