The Criteria For A Hiphop Legend?

[5 Grand]

What about guys like Grandmaster Caz, Kool Moe Dee and Melle Mel?

 

[LurkerSix]

Jeezy is unbiasedly a legend b.

Without Jeezy and Shawty Red

Trap Music dont exist.

There is no Gucci, No Migos, no Yo Gotti, No Future…

No Zaytoven, No Southside, No Metro Boomin…


TIP may have coined the phrase or gave it a name…but Jeezy is the reason it sounds the way it does. Production, Rhyme Schemes and Subject Matter, lingo, hell even fucking ad-libs

He got two classic albums and has continuously made quality music

THATS a legend.

This is a great example of what I said right here.

Personally I dont think people who were the first ones to get a couple hits, in a genre with a lot of artists, doesnt make them a legend.

You just giving all the credit to Jeezy cuz he was the first to pop. Jeezy just happened to be the first to go somewhat mainstream in a new genre of music and was good(smart) enough to maintain it into a long respectable career. Nothing he did was legendary.

Kinda shows Shawty Red had more influence on the trap sound not Jeezy.

Gucci & Jeezy were out at the same time and both dropped hits in mid 05. I think Jeezy's just came out a lil earlier, so how is it there would be no Gucci without Jeezy? That just doesnt make sense.

Funniest part is all the people you named, were literally influenced or discovered by Gucci. If anything this makes the case Gucci is a legend not Jeezy. Gucci was the one who discovered The Migos and gave their cd to Quality control. Hell most of these newer Trap artists always say, Gucci or Lil Wayne when asked who their influence. I dont remember anyone really saying Jeezy

Gucci’s rapid musical output arose out of necessity. After an infamous beef with Jeezy got bloody when he murdered an associate of Jeezy’s in self-defense, Gucci Mane was incarcerated for six months. He became a pariah in the trap music kingdom of Atlanta. Upon his release, the doors were still closed on him. That’s when he and go-to producer Zaytoven started recording and releasing music on their own at a breakneck pace that persists to this day. How productive is Gucci Mane? While incarcerated on gun charges from 2014 to 2016, he managed to drop 24 projects. Not songs. Projects.

While Gucci was away, many of the artists that he co-signed and collaborated with rose to prominence, becoming Atlanta royalty in their own right. He gave producers Zaytoven, Mike Will Made-It, and Metro Boomin some of their first breaks; Atlanta rappers OJ Da Juiceman and Young Scooter earned hits under his umbrella; Waka Flocka, Nicki Minaj, French Montana focused their craft and vaulted into national consciousness while affiliated with him. Rich Homie Quan was first heard on Gucci’s Trap House 3 mixtape, and he also began working with Migos, Future and Young Dolph very early on in their careers. Gucci says he gave Young Thug a $25K advance before even hearing a song, merely trusting the co-sign from then-1017 Brick Squad member Peeway Longway.

If Gucci Mane had all of those artists signed to 1017 Brick Squad, we’d have to call him Suge Gotti-Dash Laflare. What’s most impressive is that it appears like he’s never co-signed artists with a capitalistic, exploitative agenda, but to simply put another person on. Several Atlanta artists have echoed Quavo’s sentiment that there was “no paperwork” upon meeting Gucci, just instant love and collaboration. Metro Boomin said “Gucci’s the kinda n — — where I could bring my homeboy through, like, ‘Yo this n — -’s dope,’ and if he thinks they’re hard, he’ll give them a deal. Gucci really would try to make other n — -s bosses.”

How Takeoff and the Migos Flow Changed Atlanta Rap (Published 2022)

Quick-jabbing triplets had been a staple of rap, but the trio made the style sound fresh, thanks in large part to Takeoff, its master of syncopation. The rapper was shot and killed at 28 on Tuesday.

www.nytimes.com

Pierre Thomas, known to most as P, one of the founders of Quality Control Music, the dominant Atlanta rap label of the past decade. In 2017, Thomas recalled to Rap Radar how Gucci Mane had introduced him to Migos’ music

From Migos to Future — Gucci Mane: The Mastermind Behind Some of Today's Biggest Trap Stars

Since his debut album “Trap House” in 2005, Gucci has been instrumental in birthing a new genre, signaling a seismic shift in the music world and reshaping the scene of

www.exitfest.org

im not quoting everything

Future – Gucci discovered Future early in his career. He had fun working with him, so they ended up collaborating on one of the most famous mixtapes just before Gucci’s major deal with Epic Records. Signed by Gucci Mane, Future’s path was clear – he was destined to become a serious force in the rap industry.

Young Thug signed a contract with 1017 Records in 2013, and Gucci quickly recognized his immense talent. Their dedicated collaboration over the next year and a half resulted in Thug’s critically acclaimed mixtape, “1017 Thug,” which earned a spot on several “best of the year” music lists.

Zaytoven’s hit-making prowess is well-documented, but few know he was once under the wing of 1017 Records. Guwop, captivated by Zaytoven’s beats, made him his right-hand man in the music world. This partnership led to numerous hits, including the iconic “Icy” from 2005, and catapulted Zaytoven onto the global stage.

10 Younger Rappers Influenced by Gucci Mane - XXL

Radric Davis is known by many monikers: Gucci, Guwop, La Flare, Trap God, Mr. Zone 6. But one word might stand the test of time more than any other: influencer.

www.xxlmag.com

lil bibby, Fetty Wap, OG Maco, 21 Savage, Waka Flocka, Young Thug, Migos, Speaker Knockerz, Chief Keef, Peewee Longway

 

[Goldie]

He did his homework

 

[LurkerSix]

He did his homework

NGL, in citing my sources, I found out shit I didnt know. The fact that Gucci could of pulled a Diddy or Baby move and signed all of those nobody artists that then blew up to forever contracts but didnt, thats some legendary shit. He helped them get their careers off outa str8 love. That alone is legendary cuz of how rare it is in rap

 

[Suckio Andretti]

Mos aint a legend

You trippin

 

[Goldie]

If Mos Def was removed from Hiphop, what changes?

Spoiler

 

[BDP™️]

This is a great example of what I said right here.

You just giving all the credit to Jeezy cuz he was the first to pop. Jeezy just happened to be the first to go somewhat mainstream in a new genre of music and was good(smart) enough to maintain it into a long respectable career. Nothing he did was legendary.

Kinda shows Shawty Red had more influence on the trap sound not Jeezy.

Gucci & Jeezy were out at the same time and both dropped hits in mid 05. I think Jeezy's just came out a lil earlier, so how is it there would be no Gucci without Jeezy? That just doesnt make sense.

Funniest part is all the people you named, were literally influenced or discovered by Gucci. If anything this makes the case Gucci is a legend not Jeezy. Gucci was the one who discovered The Migos and gave their cd to Quality control. Hell most of these newer Trap artists always say, Gucci or Lil Wayne when asked who their influence. I dont remember anyone really saying Jeezy

How Takeoff and the Migos Flow Changed Atlanta Rap (Published 2022)

Quick-jabbing triplets had been a staple of rap, but the trio made the style sound fresh, thanks in large part to Takeoff, its master of syncopation. The rapper was shot and killed at 28 on Tuesday.

www.nytimes.com

From Migos to Future — Gucci Mane: The Mastermind Behind Some of Today's Biggest Trap Stars

Since his debut album “Trap House” in 2005, Gucci has been instrumental in birthing a new genre, signaling a seismic shift in the music world and reshaping the scene of

www.exitfest.org

im not quoting everything

10 Younger Rappers Influenced by Gucci Mane - XXL

Radric Davis is known by many monikers: Gucci, Guwop, La Flare, Trap God, Mr. Zone 6. But one word might stand the test of time more than any other: influencer.

www.xxlmag.com

lil bibby, Fetty Wap, OG Maco, 21 Savage, Waka Flocka, Young Thug, Migos, Speaker Knockerz, Chief Keef, Peewee Longway

Cant do nothing but respect this level of effort. And its all facts.

I was gonna spin the block and say Gucci is also a legend based on all this that you posted...although I def wouldn't have had this level of detail lol

I can definitely admit that Gucci is a co-founder of what we know as trap now.

Im still pushing back in regards to Jeezy not being a legend or having a legendary run.


From 05 - 08 he had the rap game in a chokehold b

A classic Mixtape (Trap or Die)
2 classic albums...one of which is genre defining (TM 101 and The Recession)
3 straight Platinum albums (He has four straight but TM 102 dropped in 2011)

Essential in establishing ATL as the new epicenter of hip hop culture

and we already talked about his contribution as a pioneer w/ Gucci of what we know as trap music

 

[Suckio Andretti]

If Mos Def was removed from Hiphop, what changes?

Spoiler

Make the thread nigga

 

[GNS]

I would even take this further and say if niggas shamelessly copy you or the next gen all sound like you...

one great modern example:

the Migos flow

@The Lonious Monk it's happening

 

[5th Letter]

Skills is a factor for sure. GENRE DEFINING CLASSIC ALBUM(S), Hit singles, sales. Longevity. Certain 80’s rappers might be exceptions.

 

[genocide_cutter]

Project Pat created trap.

 

[BDP™️]

Project Pat created trap.

Lol

Project Pat made music to rob to

Str8 stick up kid, jack boy music.

And thats not diminishing Pat. I think he is underrated as an MC. One of the best/most unique flows ever

 

[Reed MJ]

Qualities to being a hip hop legend are genre defining album(s), cultural impact on the masses (bonus if impact is felt years later), influence on peers and future artists, and being respected/acknowledged for your body of work (probably the most important trait).

 

[Norrin_Radd]

Smh I knew this thread was coming

 

[Suckio Andretti]

Goldie is Questlove a legend?

 

[Goldie]

Goldie is Questlove a legend?

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

- Impact/Sales
- Influence
- Quality of Work
- How your projects measured against your peers during the year it was released

Jadakiss comes up short in all these categories.

But y'all voted him a legend. Don't try and clarify shit now.

 

[Goldie]

Jadakiss comes up short in all these categories.

But y'all voted him a legend. Don't try and clarify shit now.

If we remove Jada from hiphop we automatically lose "We Gon Make It" and "Benjamins".

One of the greatest battles of alltime, arguably a top 5 group, etc.


You can make a solid argument for Jada.

 

[Water Ur Seeds]

Different rappers are legends for different reasons, for example Kanye, Pac, 50, LL, Dre, Snoop, G Rap, Caz, Flash, Rakim, Jay, Jeezy, Q Tip and Common are all legends for different reasons... Which makes criteria for being a legend 'fluid'...

Though one criteria I would add for some MCs is being able to do multiple types of songs...

IMO Top tier MCs arnt stuck in a box and are able to be versatile and make different types of tunes... Be-it story telling tunes aswell as either, punchline, street tunes and/or conscious tunes... or even commercial and party tunes etc depending on their persona...

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

You can make a solid argument for Jada.

If this your argument...

If we remove Jada from hiphop we automatically lose "We Gon Make It" and "Benjamins".

One of the greatest battles of alltime, arguably a top 5 group, etc.

....my nigga said We Gon Make It.

You could at least said Why...lol