The Black vote. Who gets it, why do they get it and what do black people really want.

[DOS_patos]

I was reading thru the BC thread and alot of interesting info and conversations was being had.
Alot of good points.

I think we should focus on just that....the black vote.
Do we really know what we want?
Do we really ask for it or do we wait for someone to say what they can offer?
why do so many candidates avoid the "what i will do for black people " question but can tell what they will do for the immigrants, latinos and lgbt folk?
would we really get behind someone who supported us or will it be the same ole "we are too diverse for us to get everything". Are we the only diverse group? or it is something else?
what candidate aint shit?
who are you leaning more towards? who hurt us more than help us?
was it a legit helping? was the hurt they caused justified?

Are we expecting too much from the black candidates too early?

I'll post up the posts that was in the BC thread.

Lets talk about it.

 

[DOS_patos]

If he's serious and gets the financial backing he can win. And him being single won't be an issue - Presidents James Buchanan and Grover Cleveland were single (although Cleveland got married in his first term). Buchanan had girlfriends but never married.

He's not winning.

"I have a specific agenda for the AMERICAN PEOPLE". He didn't use the word "BLACK" Translation: I'm not doing anything for the black community except taking your votes. People, if a politician uses the words American people, minorities, or people of color when you ask them about the BLACK agenda, understand that the candidate isn't looking out the interests of the black community.

Notice how Cory got frustrated when asked about the BLACK AGENDA? He was taking a page from Hilary's playbook which is called "benign neglect". Then he tried to dodge it by deflecting with rambling. Basically,this guy just told you he's not going to do anything for black people except take your votes without offering something in return. That's NOT how we play. NO FREE VOTES.

I want to hear from the NJ posters about this candidate.

this is because he dont want to get boxed in too early.

saying black ....makes the rest feel like he wont help them.

But we've seen this play out BEFORE.

Also have you notice how Kamala specifically stated what she's going to do for other groups? (LBGT, immigrants) She didn't feel "boxed in" and neither does Cory.

President has to lead the entire country. If he wants to get elected, that has to be the message.

No point in having somebody riding hard for blacks in the election then losing. What does that accomplish?

i get it.....i do.

the thing is no one wants to help the black people because we are the stepping stone for everyone....which should make us more important. but it doesnt.

i hate when people throw up their hands and say see they dont care.....
but do we really care enough to hold them accountable?

lgbt and immigrants have black people in the groups.

all these sub groups are breaking us down....its giving others more numbers.
so alot of people side with the group that will be heard vs staying with being black first.
and its crazy because most people wont know your black and gay or black and an immigrant ...they just see black and treat you accordingly.

Most of us are NOT throwing up hands. We've been vetting which is what we should have been doing. We ARE holding them accountable now. That's why these candidates are feeling the pressure. They are so used to us giving our votes for free, now they have to provide QUID QUO PRO for it. Our future and lives are at stake.

Yes LGBT and immigrants have black people in those groups, so the question to ask them is what do you put first, your sexual orientation/being an immigrant or your blackness? I asked this one female who is a lesbian, this question, and she was on code and said her blackness. Let's you know where their loyality lies.

Also only ONE candidate has spoke about reparations and that is Marianne Williamson.

Did Trump have everyone's support? or primarily white america?

White Americans and Latinos.

It's not a narrative when others see the con game as well.

Sure he wants everyone's support that's a given. Here's what you're NOT seeing. Candidates have NO QUALMS about stating what they will do for other groups, (Kamala just did this.) but when it comes to African-Americans as a group that's when "benign neglect" kicks in. Cory JUST did this in the interview fam. Don't believe me, but just keep watching Cory and watch what he'll saying he'll do for other groups specifically. So that "don't want to alienate any other group" narrative is total false. Don't fall for that.

Serious question, are Canadians even allow to vote in US elections?

my point to Sion was that, Booker, if his intentions are sincere SHOULD be catering to black people, however, since we only make up what...13% of the population, if every single african american voted, that still wont make him win outright

Terrible example he had the delegates support from the entire Republican party from the house to the senate. He had that headstart. And Trump utilizes white privilege which is a major issue. Low voter turnout (lowest in 20 years) and a weak candidate got him the win. The votes between Hillary and Trump were only a 2.1% difference they were cut down the middle in most states. Obama ran and never said anything about being the black President why don't yall ostracize him ?

Your country is so divided that it's not asked what Trump is doing for the white community because it is assumed they're the majority and that's who he's talking to period. He doesn't have to outline policies for them because it's assumed they will benefit. We only ascribe that to black people unfortunately and then challenge why we should give them our support because of 400 years of slavery (physical and mental) that lingers to this day. Some of y'all won't LET Cory even run as the president because he's black which is even more fucked up. Cory JUST started running and people are quick to denounce him before he even really has an outline for what he intends to do.

Shit verifies what @DOS_patos said about the problem with black people is they want the results fast and if it doesn't come then it's the hell with it.

Question for Cory. What happened to the money, and who is being allocated to within Newark?

https://www.businessinsider.com/mar...on-newark-mayor-ras-baraka-cory-booker-2018-5

To my knowledge, Only one candidate has done this so far. Only one. So who are these other candidates ?? He's taking a different approach, it is still early. You are projecting your own fears and frustrations upon a man you don't even know. I commented on Kamala and you guys lamblasted me on how she's "not sincere", how y'all aren't going to vote and all this other nonsense. Trump is prolly going to get a second term because in the end y'all will prolly just complain and find justifications not to vote and then turn around and say it doesn't matter.

And as for using my nationality, I can place my opinion wherever I feel. Especially if I feel there's ignorance a foot. This man just started running and yall are quick to bury him when he just got started. He likely will rollout something be patient. I know you personally and nowhere did I disrespect you when I could of and I expect the same treatment.

Plenty black people actually did the bold(Ex. Cornell West). When that was done they were criticized and condemned by a lot of black for not just blindly supporting him just because he was black and the 1st. Fast forward to now and that is the exact reason why so many black people going so hard on Harris and Booker.

If they can come out of the gate speaking on what they can do for gays and immigrants. Then come out the gate and say what you are going to do for YOUR PEOPLE. Shit ain't hard at all.

You don't even see how you making excuses for these people preferring acceptance of others over standing tall for their own people. If these candidates don't have the backing of their people nothing they do is going to succeed.

Nope can't vote for this dude.

He "laughed" when Charla asked him about a black agenda, but was serious about everything else.

No tangibles, no vote

Dude had 37 mins and babbled the whole time. He aint doing nothing for black folks

ill post the kamala posts in a bit.

 

[AZTG]

The thing with the black vote is that the republicans can win without it, but the democrats cant. That alone makes the black vote a very powerful tool.

The only way to use it in its full potential though would be to have a united vote. Kind of like a political party with elected leaders. This party doesnt have to be a part of congress at all, just work with congress to further demands by African Americans.

If something like this happened, and this party or any organizational power could promise candidates that 80% of black voters would vote for or against them, they can start holding politicians accountable.

Imagine if in 2020 the Democratic platform made some specific promises that would benefit African Americans and this party decided to vote for them as a collective and 80% of the black voters followed which led to the elected Democrat winning. Then imagine that Democrat didnt follow through on any of the promises.

In 2024, the black party can punish them by not voting democrat, the democrats will get crushed, and in 2028, not only will they make promises that benefit African Americans, they will make sure to follow through.

 

[AZTG]

The issue at the moment is that the Democrats know they will get the Black vote regardless, they arent worried about the repercussions of not keeping their promises at all. That severly limits the potential power of the black vote.

 

[SeaSnake]

Trillions in reparations. Voting wont get that.

 

[Ghost313]

Republicans don't need, don't care about Black vote.

Democrats don't follow through for the Black vote once in office.

I don't believe in the, "They can't cater to Blacks in public, wait til they get in office." We are let down every time.

I can't get behind Kamala because I feel like she put her intentions out there to help everyone not Black, when asked who and what causes she plans to help. Will go on Black platforms, but not mention anything she plans to do to help them. Basically Hilary with the hotsauce type shit.

Booker...nigga let me down in his interview. Wanted.to believe in him but, nah...see Kamala.

I feel that we need our own party, long term vision, unity and delegates. If the Democrats lost our vote, they don't stand a chance. The Republicans have a lot of their party dying, becoming minority, so there is room to work.

Our own Grass Roots people from our own party, we won't have to worry about their interests, and if they will follow through in office.

If I was to vote for candidate of either party, they need to come outright and make their intentions clear for the Black Vote, the same way they leap out and prioritize the LGBT vote and Hispanic vote. Don't be scared to make it known that you fuck with us.

I honestly don't think we have unity as a people on what we truly want aside from reparations. Before people say it's unrealistic/unreasonable, there are groups that have received reparations. Aside from reparations, we need a United voice on something to start, and roll from there.

I expect a lot from Black candidates. You don't see Hispanic/White/Jewish candidates shying away from their people's needs, so I don't expect a Black candidate to.

I remember us as a people being so hopeful for Barack, only for homie to cater more to LGBT needs than our own, after using us as the.backbone one each campaign. I don't want us used like that again.

 

[DMorgan]

Republicans don't need, don't care about Black vote.

Democrats don't follow through for the Black vote once in office.

I don't believe in the, "They can't cater to Blacks in public, wait til they get in office." We are let down every time.

I can't get behind Kamala because I feel like she put her intentions out there to help everyone not Black, when asked who and what causes she plans to help. Will go on Black platforms, but not mention anything she plans to do to help them. Basically Hilary with the hotsauce type shit.

Booker...nigga let me down in his interview. Wanted.to believe in him but, nah...see Kamala.

I feel that we need our own party, long term vision, unity and delegates. If the Democrats lost our vote, they don't stand a chance. The Republicans have a lot of their party dying, becoming minority, so there is room to work.

Our own Grass Roots people from our own party, we won't have to worry about their interests, and if they will follow through in office.

If I was to vote for candidate of either party, they need to come outright and make their intentions clear for the Black Vote, the same way they leap out and prioritize the LGBT vote and Hispanic vote. Don't be scared to make it known that you fuck with us.

I honestly don't think we have unity as a people on what we truly want aside from reparations. Before people say it's unrealistic/unreasonable, there are groups that have received reparations. Aside from reparations, we need a United voice on something to start, and roll from there.

I expect a lot from Black candidates. You don't see Hispanic/White/Jewish candidates shying away from their people's needs, so I don't expect a Black candidate to.

I remember us as a people being so hopeful for Barack, only for homie to cater more to LGBT needs than our own, after using us as the.backbone one each campaign. I don't want us used like that again.

Why do you think the bold happened?

 

[DOS_patos]

@Knock_Twice

 

[Knock_Twice]

@Knock_Twice

I can't tell ppl who to vote for, black folks don't need to fall for the shucking and jiving and so call black pandering that politicians do to sway their vote. I'm just now understanding the game that's been happening when folks pander for our votes. I'm still learning myself.

Make them do something.

We've just been going along with the program. Just in the Breakfast Club interview, Kamala said she listened to 2pac and Snoop Dog while smoking while in college.

She graduated in 86, and both those artists weren't even out. That tells me a lot there about how she's going about trying to obtain votes. Thinking black folks are dumb and programmed, just because you know how to dougie or do the latest dance you should get black folk votes.

They don't do that to Mexicans or Asians, or any other group but black folks.

 

[Tayboo]

As of right now I don't think any candidate should get the black vote and to be honest I don't think that Kamala Harris or Corey Booker should be running. IMO my opinion Black people need to focus on getting congress seats on all levels and Governor seats. This is where I believe we can see actual change. No president is going to able to put in place the changes we need in this country.

 

[Knock_Twice]

As of right now I don't think any candidate should get the black vote and to be honest I don't think that Kamala Harris or Corey Booker should be running. IMO my opinion Black people need to focus on getting congress seats on all levels and Governor seats. This is where I believe we can see actual change. No president is going to able to put in place the changes we need in this country.

Hell some of them are puppets too. They just want a job, some.

 

[shutupGabi]

Black vote fina be obsolete now that messicans are here. No presidential candidate needs us to win.

 

[BDP™️]

As of right now I don't think any candidate should get the black vote and to be honest I don't think that Kamala Harris or Corey Booker should be running. IMO my opinion Black people need to focus on getting congress seats on all levels and Governor seats. This is where I believe we can see actual change. No president is going to able to put in place the changes we need in this country.

YEP.

GOAT POST.

Congressional Seats
Governorships and state offices
Local Political Offices
Judicial (Judges, DA's etc)

This is where the real work is being done and this is were the shit that affects us directly and immediately come from...

POTUS is important...but scope of power is limited...we trying to build a house on sand instead of stone....

 

[AP3.0]

As of right now I don't think any candidate should get the black vote and to be honest I don't think that Kamala Harris or Corey Booker should be running. IMO my opinion Black people need to focus on getting congress seats on all levels and Governor seats. This is where I believe we can see actual change. No president is going to able to put in place the changes we need in this country.

you need to post more boo

this was fucking poetic

 

[DMorgan]

 

[Knock_Twice]

Black vote fina be obsolete now that messicans are here. No presidential candidate needs us to win.

I think if you're black that's running, you will still need a black presence to help you win IMO.

 

[BDP™️]

I feel like the Governor races in GA and FLA were way more important and impactful than 2020 outside of getting Trump the fuck outta office...


do you know what kind of message is being sent about REAL change if the Governors of two of the most racist, anti black states in the union had black Governors...

Gillum and Abrams losing and THE WAY THEY LOST (heavy voter supression, miscounts, etc) should tell you all you need to know and was much much deeper than rap yall

 

[DMorgan]

The Kansas City Shuffle is exactly what rich people are pulling on everybody especially black people when it comes to voting

 

[Knock_Twice]

I feel like the Governor races in GA and FLA were way more important and impactful than 2020 outside of getting Trump the fuck outta office...


do you know what kind of message is being sent about REAL change if the Governors of two of the most racist, anti black states in the union had black Governors...

Gillum and Abrams losing and THE WAY THEY LOST (heavy voter supression, miscounts, etc) should tell you all you need to know and was a much much deeper than rap yall

Do you think those two would have helped black folks if they got in office, Neither had a black agenda and ran on LGBT, and other non black issue platforms??

 

[BDP™️]

Do you think those two would have helped black folks if they got in office, Neither had a black agenda and ran on LGBT, and other non black issue platforms??

Yes.

I do...because as Governor you have more power to implement real tangible change as they have more lattitude being on the state level