Tape/Film vs. Skill Drills

[AP3.0]

Probably too late for a thread but seemed like a good discussion

what say you

@BDP™️
@Thor

edit:

can you tell/project how good a player will be off film alone?

What can their performance in drills with no pads tell you?

if you had to pick one or the other to draft a player off of, which one would you choose?

 

[Playmaker88]

Measurables don't speak to execution.

Op could be a little more detailed.

Game tape.

 

[Chi-Town B]

You asking is watching film will help more than practicing?

 

[Dwayne]

Everybody agree film bruh


Lock this shit up

 

[JUDAH]

Film mostly helps with the gameplan/preperation.


You play how you practice is a saying for a reason.

Edit: film. AP should have explained it better in the OP.

 

[AP3.0]

Measurables don't speak to execution.

Op could be a little more detailed.

Game tape.

hey man, i'm trying to help make this area more diverse in topics lol

Im doing my part

but to your point, i'll add some more context

thank you for the suggestion

 

[Goldie]

There's only so many drills to run.

Film>>

 

[AP3.0]

You asking is watching film will help more than practicing?

see the edit i just made

hopefully that clears things up

 

[BDP™️]

Film all day everyday twice on sunday.

I will say that drills...more specifically if we talking about the NFL Combine can confirm and validate things you see on film...(trash hips, change of direction)

like I said earlier...I think the positions with the most to gain at the combine are DBs and WRs...those drills directly correlate to what they do on the field...

a guy can overcome a bad combine...but if your film trash....although some guys have been drafted high off of being a workout warrior...

Darius Heyward-Bey being one of them..bruh got drafted in the first round cause he was fast lmao...when his tape said he had suspect hands and mediocre route running

 

[Chi-Town B]

Watching tape you're actually seeing them play a game, you know exactly what they can and what they can't do. I really don't think being at the combine tells you anything, how many players did well there but was busts and out the league fairly quickly

 

[AP3.0]

some thoughts from other members

Kyler Murray measurements came out today he basically Russell Wilson size with slightly smaller hands. I’m not entirely convinced Arizona won’t draft him number 1 and trade Rosen.

an entire inch is huge when it comes to hands

And that weight is not his playing weight for him. He put on them pounds just for the combine and I bet he don't even run with that weight.


Plus I just don't see him as good


Shrugs

They already said he don’t plan on throwing he’ll do all that shit at his pro day most likely.

Yeah he proly plays around 185-190

I can see him trying to bulk up to 210-215

dont know how much speed he would sacrifice

might be the diffrence between 4.5 . and 4.6 for him


I think he is a bit overated as well...even if he goes to an air raid offense...these are pros bro...niggas aint finna be just running wide open...gotta be able to anticipate and throw guys open and fit in some tight windows...

The times at the pro day be a scam.

Ohio state had niggas running on slight decline for their time lol

I think he gonna do all the running and lifting but he will throw at his pro day

which is neither here nor there...at the end of the day...the film dont lie man

@BDP™️

A lot drills says a lot about a player. ( I don't think throwing at the combine matter but hat the pro does. Gotta see if he zip it in person

You can look good playing corner in college but if your hips are trash and 3 cone drill is trash you gon get killed in the NFL

true...even still the combine is more about your measurable as an athlete than your actual talent as a football player

the importance of drills do vary by player tho

Drills aren't as important as folks try to make it seem. If a corners hips are truly trash and they playing in big 5 conference the tape will show that easy. Ain't but so much a player can hide on tape when the competition is good.

IMO more players have been busts being workout warriors getting drafted too high than its has from whats been on tape being false advertising.

You can have trash hips and still be good in college. QBs in college can make all the throws and then boys stay running zone.

Very few colleges run man where you can tell of a player is really a cover guy with good hips.

IMO its very few corners PERIOD that are real deal man to man guys

I didn't say he can't be good. I said having trash hips are going to show on tape.

Man If I was certified top 5 pick all im doing is weighing in and interviews at the combine

if you wanna see me workout schedule a private one...

I disagree with this one due to college QBs limitations

But I respect your stance

you can isolate one on one matchups and see mirroring techniques, how he turns and runs, speed turns, change of directions, how fast he breaks and ball skills...

you can do all of that without really factoring in the skill of the QB

Exactly.

I'm trusting the tape more than I'm trusting drills and workouts without pads on. Even though both are important I put more stock in the tape.

 

[AP3.0]

Man If I was certified top 5 pick all im doing is weighing in and interviews at the combine

if you wanna see me workout schedule a private one...

I disagree with this one due to college QBs limitations

But I respect your stance

you can isolate one on one matchups and see mirroring techniques, how he turns and runs, speed turns, change of directions, how fast he breaks and ball skills...

you can do all of that without really factoring in the skill of the QB

Exactly.

I'm trusting the tape more than I'm trusting drills and workouts without pads on. Even though both are important I put more stock in the tape.

He can look good on tape lining up against a so-so WR But its not the same as seeing it in person up close.

Which your point about a private workout is great. Have him go against a NFL WR and see how them hips work

most drills are trash but the short drills and them 10 yard split is crucial to see if a player has the tools athletics wise to play the next level.


Technique and short area quickness is crucial for CB and WR which I think DB as a whole have the most to gain at the combine.

A dude can look quick in college but tape lies all the time

You learn shit about a O or Dlineman or QB at the combine

I do agree that the combine does benefit the DBs and WRs the most...cause realistically the drills they run are a direct correlation to what they do on the field...

it can help and hurt

but still

tape>>>

My perfect example is Joe Haden

didnt test well athletically at the combine...but his tape showed he was legit

well at one point Haden was considered a top 5 corner

 

[AP3.0]

Doesn't lie as much as workouts and drills do.

Like I said both drills and tape are important. I'm just putting more stock and value on what I see on tape than what I see in drills and workouts.

Of course,

But for a lot of shit tape can lie

 

[JUDAH]

Film all day everyday twice on sunday.

I will say that drills...more specifically if we talking about the NFL Combine can confirm and validate things you see on film...(trash hips, change of direction)

like I said earlier...I think the positions with the most to gain at the combine are DBs and WRs...those drills directly correlate to what they do on the field...

a guy can overcome a bad combine...but if your film trash....although some guys have been drafted high off of being a workout warrior...

Darius Heyward-Bey being one of them..bruh got drafted in the first round cause he was fast lmao...when his tape said he had suspect hands and mediocre route running

This.

And i know this based on a football conversation. But it applys elsewhere too.

Watch this video.




Lil bruh cold on the mits right?


Now watch this.

He has on the red gloves. Id turn the soubd off too unless you wanna hear women screaming the whole time.




He lost that. He is young tho. But thhe actual film of the fight gives you a better picture of his actual skill.

 

[Dwayne]

I never said tape was not the most important.

I said certain things (very few) needed to be tested

 

[BDP™️]

Watching tape you're actually seeing them play a game, you know exactly what they can and what they can't do. I really don't think being at the combine tells you anything, how many players did well there but was busts and out the league fairly quickly

a lot of GM's and Coaches think they can take a guy with crazy measurables and make him a better football player...

sometimes it works...

most times it dont...

cause in reality...once you make it to the NFL the difference between players athleticism is pretty incremental IMO

now you do have those guys that are elite in some area athletically and it shows...but those guys are few and far between..

or get a freak like Julio Jones...who are even more rare

 

[AP3.0]

There is a reason every year during the combine folks say and talk about who is going to be this years workout warrior get overrated and which GM is going to draft that player way too high.

I still haven't heard from combine folks which players tape is going to lie and get them drafted way too high.

I'm not saying tape is perfect and doesn't lie. Again all I'm saying is that I put more stock and value in whats on tape than I do workouts and drills. Regardless of them both being important. I value one(tape) higher than the other(workouts).

I look at it like this

Tape is better for evaluating the actual FOOTBALL skills and how they translate to the next level

The workouts confirm the players ability to compete athletically at the next level if that makes sense


also @AP21 you should probly move our Tape vs Workouts posts to the thread you created

Makes plenty of sense.

I would even add to the workouts part is that IMO folks are looking to confirm what they've seen on tape or show them somethings that weren't easily seen on tape whether its good or bad for said player.

 

[BDP™️]

This.

And i know this based on a football conversation. But it applys elsewhere too.

Watch this video.




Lil bruh cold on tbe mits right?


Now watch this.

He has on the red gloves. Id turn the soubd off too unless you wanna hear women screaming the whole time.




He lost that. He is young tho. But thhe actual film of the fight gives you a better picture of his actual skill.

true

this does translate to every sport

being able to handle the ball weaving thru cones is nice but what you gonna do when you have an actual defender?

 

[BDP™️]

preciate that shit AP

no matter what eerybody say you good with me bro lol

 

[AP3.0]

preciate that shit AP

no matter what eerybody say you good with me bro lol

just dont call me faggot bro

my e-heart cant take more than one f bomb a week