COMMUNITY Supreme Court strikes down abortion

[Bow to Royalty]

Nah I see your point. That part just doesn't make sense to include when you admit that very key part of the entire pov makes no sense. It's designed to inherently put both women and men at a disadvantage when making a final decision. You can't hit somebody with a "you missed the deadline" when said deadline is inherently flawed and made to make people miss it.

I'm not saying anything about whether it makes sense or not. I'm saying that's the way things are, and everyone knows the rules before they play the game. So whether it's a fucked up law that makes no sense or not, we know it's the law.

A woman aborting a baby the father wants to keep is fucked up for him. And keeping a, baby he doesn't want but holding him financially responsible for 18 years sucksfor him too. But if the response to that what that man goes through is *shrug* should have made better choices... Keep that energy.

 

[BlackRain]

I'm not saying anything about whether it makes sense or not. I'm saying that's the way things are, and everyone knows the rules before they play the game. So whether it's a fucked up law that makes no sense or not, we know it's the law.

A woman aborting a baby the father wants to keep is fucked up for him. And keeping a, baby he doesn't want but holding him financially responsible for 18 years sucksfor him too. But if the response to that what that man goes through is *shrug* should have made better choices... Keep that energy.

Well a woman going through pregnancy and childbirth is a literal life or death experience. Child support is not. So those two things are nowhere near an equivalent thus the reactions to them aren't going to be the same.

And the law being fucked up absolutely matters when you're using said law to make your point. You can't ignore the inherent inequity just because it sits on your side of the discussion. If you admit it's fucked up and make the law inherently unfair and nearly impossible to abide by then you also can't use that to now back up your pov

 

[Bow to Royalty]

that's the point......the laws are man-made and arbitrarily made up........I got an issue with a govt dictating what an individual should be allowed to do with their own body

cuz once u set boundaries and try to enforce them by law no one is ever really going to agree on what's fair.......and I don't trust a govt agent to make that call

even mofos who are suicidal can't really be stopped no matter what laws u try to come up with



the dying in ur sleep vs murder analogy isn't really the same......a woman can do everything she can to try to keep a baby and still lose it

so how arrogant and judgmental do u have to be as a man to sit back and try to judge an abortion when the woman should have control over her own body



I don't believe in child support being mandated on men either

so I don't think we should be using the law to try to take away someone else's ability to make personal decisions for themselves



should the potential father also be held accountable if the woman chooses to get an abortion?

Ya, but you keep looking at it like it's solely the woman's body. There comes a point when they're deciding on what to do with someone else's body (the baby). So from that perspective the government is protecting someone else from being harmed.

If you want to remove arbitrary decisions, then you end up on the very conservative pro-life side of life beginning at conception. That's the earliest stage of when the life began developing. Saying life begins at birth is more arbitrary.The baby is no more alive than it was 30 minutes before being born. Premature babies are less developed than babies still in the womb near their due date.

The analogy still works. A person can do everything they can to stay alive, but still die in their sleep.

 

[BlackRain]

Ya, but you keep looking at it like it's solely the woman's body. There comes a point when they're deciding on what to do with someone else's body (the baby). So from that perspective the government is protecting someone else from being harmed.

If you want to remove arbitrary decisions, then you end up on the very conservative pro-life side of life beginning at conception. That's the earliest stage of when the life began developing. Saying life begins at birth is more arbitrary.The baby is no more alive than it was 30 minutes before being born. Premature babies are less developed than babies still in the womb near their due date.

The analogy still works. A person can do everything they can to stay alive, but still die in their sleep.

Well the law you're currently championing removes the ability to make a decision before a woman would know if there's any form of life in her body. So from that perspective the government is restricting their ability to make a decision for themselves

 

[Bow to Royalty]

Well a woman going through pregnancy and childbirth is a literal life or death experience. Child support is not. So those two things are nowhere near an equivalent thus the reactions to them aren't going to be the same.

And the law being fucked up absolutely matters when you're using said law to make your point. You can't ignore the inherent inequity just because it sits on your side of the discussion. If you admit it's fucked up and make the law inherently unfair and nearly impossible to abide by then you also can't use that to now back up your pov

Even with it being a life and death experience. Again, they understood that when they were fuckin.

The law being fucked up doesn't matter because I'm not arguing the law is right. I'm just saying the law exists.

How are you figuring the law is nearly impossible to abide by when hundreds of thousands of women get an abortion within that time frame in the US every year?

 

[Bow to Royalty]

Well the law you're currently championing removes the ability to make a decision before a woman would know if there's any form of life in her body. So from that perspective the government is restricting their ability to make a decision for themselves

You're putting words in my mouth. I'm not championing the law. I'm saying it exists. And like my last post says... Hundreds of thousands of women get an abortion within that timeframe in the country every year. So we can stop acting like it's impossible to know they're pregnant within 6 weeks.

 

[Mr BFK]

Ya, but you keep looking at it like it's solely the woman's body. There comes a point when they're deciding on what to do with someone else's body (the baby). So from that perspective the government is protecting someone else from being harmed.

If you want to remove arbitrary decisions, then you end up on the very conservative pro-life side of life beginning at conception. That's the earliest stage of when the life began developing. Saying life begins at birth is more arbitrary.The baby is no more alive than it was 30 minutes before being born. Premature babies are less developed than babies still in the womb near their due date.

The analogy still works. A person can do everything they can to stay alive, but still die in their sleep.

but it IS solely the woman's body

if Plan B is acceptable, then an abortion is acceptable

it's disturbing that u as a taxpayer think it's appropriate to have the govt getting in someone's personal biz like that

getting an abortion is not some casual decision




and u can talk conception as a start point....but babies aren't even given legal rights until they are actually born

hell child support starts only when the child is born

it's just weird that mofos have a problem with govt agents like police/court systems

except when it comes to trying to minimize a woman's right to choose what to do with her body


and I noticed u didn't answer my question about if men should be held just as responsible for their pregnant partner getting an abortion

 

[Mr BFK]

and dudes only care about abortions rights cuz it's just a veiled way to still try to have control over a woman's body

they don't really gaf about the baby


if they did we'd also be cool with passing laws that get men in trouble for getting women pregnant after having "irresponsible" sex

men know the consequences of sex could include getting a woman pregnant

so why is the woman the only one punished for an abortion when 2 people made the conception possible?

 

[Bow to Royalty]

and dudes only care about abortions rights cuz it's just a veiled way to still try to have control over a woman's body

they don't really gaf about the baby


if they did we'd also be cool with passing laws that get men in trouble for getting women pregnant after having "irresponsible" sex

men know the consequences of sex could include getting a woman pregnant

so why is the woman the only one punished for an abortion when 2 people made the conception possible?

That's a weird stance. There are a lot of women that are pro-life for religious, moral, or whatever other reason. Dunno why you think a man can't have the same religious/moral/whatever reasons.

Men don't get in trouble because there are no rules against conception, and men have no decision making power regarding the abortion. I guess they could be charged with helping depending on what they did.

 

[BlackRain]

Even with it being a life and death experience. Again, they understood that when they were fuckin.

The law being fucked up doesn't matter because I'm not arguing the law is right. I'm just saying the law exists.

How are you figuring the law is nearly impossible to abide by when hundreds of thousands of women get an abortion within that time frame in the US every year?

It's not 6 weeks everywhere for one. There's different standards depending on where you're at. In the places where 6 weeks is the standard, that time frame doesn't allow for an actual decision to be made. It's already made for them because you can't make a decision you don't even know you need to make as it's widely agreed upon that at 6 weeks majority of women don't know they're even pregnant yet.

Unless you suggesting women preplan a pregnancy test after everytime they have sex during ovulation, which also differs from woman to woman depending on a myriad of biological and environmental factors, then setting a law that restricts your ability to do something before you even know it's an option will always be nearly impossible to follow.

 

[BlackRain]

That's a weird stance. There are a lot of women that are pro-life for religious, moral, or whatever other reason. Dunno why you think a man can't have the same religious/moral/whatever reasons.

Men don't get in trouble because there are no rules against conception, and men have no decision making power regarding the abortion. I guess they could be charged with helping depending on what they did.

People are pro birth. If they were pro life then there wouldn't be a concerted effort to make the lives of children and their parents even harder to continue to raise them in this society.

 

[Mr BFK]

That's a weird stance. There are a lot of women that are pro-life for religious, moral, or whatever other reason. Dunno why you think a man can't have the same religious/moral/whatever reasons.

Men don't get in trouble because there are no rules against conception, and men have no decision making power regarding the abortion. I guess they could be charged with helping depending on what they did.

but in ur view life begins at conception right

the man is 50% of the reason a woman is pregnant right?

how does a man get let off the hook by the law but the women shouldn't

yet u are "allegedly" worried about equal responsibility

 

[Knock_Twice]

but in ur view life begins at conception right

the man is 50% of the reason a woman is pregnant right?

how does a man get let off the hook by the law but the women shouldn't

yet u are "allegedly" worried about equal responsibility

Both should go to prison for murder.

If she wants to abort or keep (she has that choice to be a mother)

Let's use the same rules and be fair (a man can choose to be a father or not and not be penalized) His body (mind) and understanding.

 

[Knock_Twice]

but in ur view life begins at conception right

the man is 50% of the reason a woman is pregnant right?

how does a man get let off the hook by the law but the women shouldn't

yet u are "allegedly" worried about equal responsibility

How would a father or mother that has a daughter feel about hearing their daughter have 3 abortions in 2 or 3 years?

How would it affect their mental? Let's start using real life reality.

Not sure if you have any daughters, but if your daughter came home and told you and your wife she has had 3 abortions and is about to have her 4th one in over 4 or 5 years and she isn't 26,

Would you gone about your day and let her be? Her body right? or would your dad instincts or your wife's instincts kick in as a parent and have some say in her decision?

 

[Bow to Royalty]

It's not 6 weeks everywhere for one. There's different standards depending on where you're at. In the places where 6 weeks is the standard, that time frame doesn't allow for an actual decision to be made. It's already made for them because you can't make a decision you don't even know you need to make as it's widely agreed upon that at 6 weeks majority of women don't know they're even pregnant yet.

Unless you suggesting women preplan a pregnancy test after everytime they have sex during ovulation, which also differs from woman to woman depending on a myriad of biological and environmental factors, then setting a law that restricts your ability to do something before you even know it's an option will always be nearly impossible to follow.

I'm not following what you're saying. And it may be on me. At a very basic level I'm saying hundreds of thousands of women in the country get an abortion within the first 6 weeks. I imagine there are many more that find out within that timeframe and keep the baby, or decide later to get the abortion.

So I'm not understanding why you keep calling it impossible to know they're pregnant. I'm not understanding because it's happening thousands of times everyday.

All that tracking isn't even necessary. You're making something simple more complicated than it needs to be. Could just take a pregnancy test the 1st and 15th of each month. Again, not what I'm expecting anyone to do. Just saying the solution is cheap and simple.

 

[Knock_Twice]

Plus most women track their periods these days on their apps...just about all women, especially the ones under 40...track their periods on their phones
Ovulation period as well

And more ao the women that are sexual active. They are tracking periods and ovulation in their phones

 

[Knock_Twice]

You can't find 10 women under 40 who don't know when their period is late or when it's about to come on or close. Especially in 2026

 

[Bow to Royalty]

but in ur view life begins at conception right

the man is 50% of the reason a woman is pregnant right?

how does a man get let off the hook by the law but the women shouldn't

yet u are "allegedly" worried about equal responsibility

I think life does start at conception (just factually speaking), but I'm not against abortions either. I think there's a middle ground, I'm just not sure where it is yet.

Pregnancy and abortions are 2 separate things. Theyre sequential, but separate. You're asking should men be arrested for getting women pregnant?

Men got let off the hook by losing all their rights in the decision making part of an abortion.

 

[BlackRain]

I'm not following what you're saying. And it may be on me. At a very basic level I'm saying hundreds of thousands of women in the country get an abortion within the first 6 weeks. I imagine there are many more that find out within that timeframe and keep the baby, or decide later to get the abortion.

So I'm not understanding why you keep calling it impossible to know they're pregnant. I'm not understanding because it's happening thousands of times everyday.

All that tracking isn't even necessary. You're making something simple more complicated than it needs to be. Could just take a pregnancy test the 1st and 15th of each month. Again, not what I'm expecting anyone to do. Just saying the solution is cheap and simple.

The tracking is necessary if you are either trying to avoid having a baby or intentionally trying for one. Thats why a couple having a baby is told to maximize that small window in which a pregnancy can actually happen. Lol at taking a pregnancy test 2x/month. And I've been using nearly impossible for a reason not just "impossible".

The point is very simple...the 6 week law fails to account for many things that can lead to a woman finding out she's pregnant after 6 weeks. There's millions of woman who have irregular cycles meaning they don't ovulate and/or menstate at the same time every 28 days or so. So putting that 6 week time frame on it limits the options of millions of women because their bodies do not all operate the same when it comes to their periods or pregnancy. It literally already makes the decision to go forward with the pregnancy for them.

 

[Bow to Royalty]

The tracking is necessary if you are either trying to avoid having a baby or intentionally trying for one. Thats why a couple having a baby is told to maximize that small window in which a pregnancy can actually happen. Lol at taking a pregnancy test 2x/month. And I've been using nearly impossible for a reason not just "impossible".

The point is very simple...the 6 week law fails to account for many things that can lead to a woman finding out she's pregnant after 6 weeks. There's millions of woman who have irregular cycles meaning they don't ovulate and/or menstate at the same time every 28 days or so. So putting that 6 week time frame on it limits the options of millions of women because their bodies do not all operate the same when it comes to their periods or pregnancy. It literally already makes the decision to go forward with the pregnancy for them.

The tracking isn't necessary though to know if you're pregnant within 6 weeks. Spend about $2/month and take your morning piss on a stick on the 1st and 15th. Seems really simple, easy, and convenient.

So I'm asking do you think that's nearly impossible to do, or it's nearly impossible to detect pregnancy within 6 weeks doing that? I don't understand what about that you're seeing as nearly impossible.

And it's done so often, but you keep calling it nearly impossible. It's confusing me.