Spend That (Wicked A** Song or Is That Your Jam?)

Duwop said:
Lol, no lie.... Corner boys outside... Little young niggas...I shit you not. As I'm walking up to the house, they outside jamming to some to rnb 🤣🤣

They definitely not inspired to be outside off that shit
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People seem to forget that before rap came along people still had many of the same complaints about youth culture and what they consumed. Some shit damn near verbatim.
 
Freeman said:
Maybe them listening to songs like this shows one, some or all of them have a desire not to do the bullshit they're doing and find love.

Influence.
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I told you I inspire niggas, bout to read your post.
 
Freeman said:
Yall will sit here and say everyone under the sun is influenced by black American culture and rap/hiphop. As soon as someone says something in rap and by extension the culture negatively influences people then all of sudden its incredulous for anyone to be influenced.
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Bro, we just talked about this in the random thread. People who jump on trends are not to be taken seriously. I used the bye Felicia example. And there are many others. These are people who have personal insecurities and seek out shit to attach themselves to, to fill something....I dunno, I'm not on that shit.

But anybody that literally acts on some outside medium, was looking for something to attach them selves to. That's not the fault of the person who provides it. They are in a legitimate business and have a responsibility to only themselves. They are essentially feeding a need.

These people aren't necessarily influenced by the music as much they are in search of something to validate how they feeling. I can't fault industries and artists for catering to them... These are heavy consumers. I ultimately assign the accountability to the people who consume at a high level
 
Freeman said:
I don't think anyone is doing that int least not me. I've never said song x or x group of songs makes random listeners get up after hearing it and commit murder and crime. (Although songs used in rap beefs have led to people ending up dead or in prison) Im saying negative rap and/or rappers can negatively influence someone's mindset and values.
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It's still tough for me to sign off on that. Cuz I feel like these people were already in that mindset regardless. They just seek out shit to fit that vibe. It's supplying a demand. It's not just black folks, human beings as a species enjoy partaking in dangerous shit, especially from a safe distance. Violent sports, movies, and music.... It's a need to live vicariously through the medium while not partaking in it themselves.

Niggas love Scarface and good fellas, I'm not expecting them to be gangsters. Odog was a cool character, he should not make you wanna kill people. A catchy song does not influence responsible, accountable people. If it does... You are not being responsible or accountable for your actions. I'm not mad at entertainers or the industry for entertaining people. But those who consume it irresponsibly... They are the problem
 
Freeman said:
What about the children that might not grow up in loving homes and/or that live around irresponsible adults that constantly expose them to negative rap. What about children around teen parents who haven't grown out of being influenced by rap themselves might never grow out of it and are exposing their children to it?
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Their existence should not limit people from entertaining the masses. It's not their fault those children are in those positions, and those children are not their responsibility. I loved when Dame and Cam were on Bill O'Reilly with that principal.... They hit the nail on the head. THEIR children, were in private schools, and were always taught to recognize that their father's were entertainers.

Yes it's unfortunate that children are in unresponsible environments... But again, that's not the artist fault. And to fault them is not addressing the issue, cuz lack of their music does not improve that child's life. It's more complex than that.

And instead of taking the detailed complex route to find a real progressive solution, people take the blame game approach to an easy target. This rapper makes bad music, they listen to it, blame the rapper. That's lazy and just not being honest imo....

You not saving a kid by making mainstream music positive.
 
Damn, Du is serious about this. He's writing Monk level titangraphs. I'm proud of you. Lol

I ain't reading that shit though. Feels good to be in this side of things.

 
Freeman said:
I think you underestimate how impressionable people are. And yes obsessed fans will always exist but why does negativity and toxicity
in rap have to? Why is beefing, drug use, fast money, popping pussy, running down ops etc at the forefront for OUR music and entertainment.
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I don't. I just don't feel the need to change the world for them. We have this thought process where we have to remove all triggers. That's not mentally healthy. If you are in therapy, they are not going to tell you to avoid all your triggers like the plague. They are going to condition you to be able to be around them and not let it consume you.

Like I have two brother in laws who went through rehab, and my wife didn't want me to drink around them.. But they both were like, please don't do that. We have to be able to see that and not relapse to be truly be healed. Like if you try to go thru life and never see anyone drink to stay sober..... You're not being realistic. They are showing accountability and strength. And I still don't really do it around them like that cuz I'm mindful.


But I KNOW there are people who have no intentions of displaying that kinda strength.... They will absolutely lose their shit if anyone does anything around then because they will absolutely blame those people for why they relapse. And that's addict behavior.

Catering to that is a chore. Because these people have no accountability.

So it's not that I underestimate it, I just don't like it. So I'm never going to be on the side of changing the music to cater to those who aren't strong enough to see it as entertainment
 
Freeman said:
What? Who am I blaming for my actions?
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You not blaming anyone for YOUR actions, you are a responsible, accountable, rational, and strong willed enough person to not let a song corrupt you into a criminal. And I feel you,

But you are blaming the music for doing to those things to people who aren't as strong in that regard as you are
 
Duwop said:
It's still tough for me to sign off on that. Cuz I feel like these people were already in that mindset regardless. They just seek out shit to fit that vibe. It's supplying a demand. It's not just black folks, human beings as a species enjoy partaking in dangerous shit, especially from a safe distance. Violent sports, movies, and music.... It's a need to live vicariously through the medium while not partaking in it themselves.

Niggas love Scarface and good fellas, I'm not expecting them to be gangsters. Odog was a cool character, he should not make you wanna kill people. A catchy song does not influence responsible, accountable people. If it does... You are not being responsible or accountable for your actions. I'm not mad at entertainers or the industry for entertaining people. But those who consume it irresponsibly... They are the problem
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The problem is there are a lot of people who take the shit seriously. There are a lot of people that aren't just trying to live vicariously and live the bullshit they see for real.

Just because you don't you're just willing to write them off and thats kinda wack to me.

Like you basically saying let that person fry if they're not as mature or mentally capable as me.

So you can dance and head nod.

Thats incredibly fucked up.
 
Duwop said:
Their existence should not limit people from entertaining the masses. It's not their fault those children are in those positions, and those children are not their responsibility. I loved when Dame and Cam were on Bill O'Reilly with that principal.... They hit the nail on the head. THEIR children, were in private schools, and were always taught to recognize that their father's were entertainers.

Yes it's unfortunate that children are in unresponsible environments... But again, that's not the artist fault. And to fault them is not addressing the issue, cuz lack of their music does not improve that child's life. It's more complex than that.

And instead of taking the detailed complex route to find a real progressive solution, people take the blame game approach to an easy target. This rapper makes bad music, they listen to it, blame the rapper. That's lazy and just not being honest imo....

You not saving a kid by making mainstream music positive.
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Eh. You're acknowledging there needs to be a solution while simultaneously passing the buck. Impressive but its an all of us issue.

I actually think many kids could have been saved if we nipped the bullshit in the bud after big and pac but these white label execs saw $$$ and doubled down.
 
Duwop said:
I don't. I just don't feel the need to change the world for them. We have this thought process where we have to remove all triggers. That's not mentally healthy. If you are in therapy, they are not going to tell you to avoid all your triggers like the plague. They are going to condition you to be able to be around them and not let it consume you.

Like I have two brother in laws who went through rehab, and my wife didn't want me to drink around them.. But they both were like, please don't do that. We have to be able to see that and not relapse to be truly be healed. Like if you try to go thru life and never see anyone drink to stay sober..... You're not being realistic. They are showing accountability and strength. And I still don't really do it around them like that cuz I'm mindful.


But I KNOW there are people who have no intentions of displaying that kinda strength.... They will absolutely lose their shit if anyone does anything around then because they will absolutely blame those people for why they relapse. And that's addict behavior.

Catering to that is a chore. Because these people have no accountability.

So it's not that I underestimate it, I just don't like it. So I'm never going to be on the side of changing the music to cater to those who aren't strong enough to see it as entertainment
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You think the average black kid is in therapy?

But again you rather just write people negatively influenced off because its the easy thing to do and you're not negatively influenced or affected by it personally.

Unfortunate.
 
Duwop said:
You not blaming anyone for YOUR actions, you are a responsible, accountable, rational, and strong willed enough person to not let a song corrupt you into a criminal. And I feel you,

But you are blaming the music for doing to those things to people who aren't as strong in that regard as you are
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Im hearing a lot of "yeah shits fucked up but it doesn't affect me so its not my problem" In these responses.

I just can't align with that thinking on anything. I feel like the world is a worst place because of it.

Im not just blaming music either. Its a plethora of things. This is just one of them.
 
Freeman said:
The problem is there are a lot of people who take the shit seriously. There are a lot of people that aren't just trying to live vicariously and live the bullshit they see for real.

Just because you don't you're just willing to write them off and thats kinda wack to me.

Like you basically saying let that person fry if they're not as mature or mentally capable as me.

So you can dance and head nod.

Thats incredibly fucked up.
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It's not, cuz I mean, how many times you jacked up drunk niggas in the club cuz they were wilding...?? irregardless to whatever personal demons they were dealing with.

You got your own shit too, but your outlet isn't to get drunk, go out and fuck with people who having a good time. You move better than that, and you recognize to sit there and impact others people's good time cuz of a person's irresponsibility to have a good time is not your personal problem. In fact you have been in an industry that removes the trouble maker.

All I'm saying is don't fuck up a good time for responsible people for irresponsible people. That's now fair.

If a whole room can jam too a *violent* song peacefully
 
Freeman said:
Eh. You're acknowledging there needs to be a solution while simultaneously passing the buck. Impressive but its an all of us issue.

I actually think many kids could have been saved if we nipped the bullshit in the bud after big and pac but these white label execs saw $$$ and doubled down.
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It's not the music is my opinion.

The music can be responsibly consumed. Irresponsible consumption is on the user, not the provider. Should we outlaw alcohol next because of its impact on the black community?
 
Freeman said:
You think the average black kid is in therapy?

But again you rather just write people negatively influenced off because its the easy thing to do and you're not negatively influenced or affected by it personally.

Unfortunate.
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Naw, not at all, but I don't think it's reasonable to censor the whole because the few can't handle
 
Freeman said:
Im hearing a lot of "yeah shits fucked up but it doesn't affect me so its not my problem" In these responses.

I just can't align with that thinking on anything. I feel like the world is a worst place because of it.

Im not just blaming music either. Its a plethora of things. This is just one of them.
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And again....

We restrict, censor, and place a cap on the whole for the few??

Bruh, I was a bouncer for 20 years.

You remove the few and let the whole have fun.


There are people who 100% live vicariously through expressive music that absolutely carries negative activities they will never take place in... But most people do so in a fun manner. The ones who can't handle, get removed.... But if I'm working in a club today, and spend dat comes on, Imma smile and watch people have fun instead of thinking about how many people are being morally corrupted by some criminal shit that a very low percentage of these chicks is actually partaking in
 
Freeman said:
The problem is there are a lot of people who take the shit seriously. There are a lot of people that aren't just trying to live vicariously and live the bullshit they see for real.

Just because you don't you're just willing to write them off and thats kinda wack to me.

Like you basically saying let that person fry if they're not as mature or mentally capable as me.

So you can dance and head nod.

Thats incredibly fucked up.
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I mean...what do you expect people to do? Not make certain types of songs or movies or tv shows because somebody might take it the wrong way? Because people say they want the "balance of the old days" when even in the "old days" people still complained about it. So what is the alternative? Because you can't control how people interpret or take in entertainment. I mean we went after every form of media that people says has a negative or potentially negative influence you're left with nothing because none of it has a clean slate. Shit people even use gospel music to excuse away heinous shit.
 
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