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The Black Spades, the gang that Afrikan Bambatta was a part of and from that came Zulu Nation, which is another gang.

There's really isn't a time where Hip Hop wasn't gang infested. It's part of Hip Hop culture from the beginning.
Hip-hop wasn’t based on violent gang culture.

That lifestyle was never portrayed in the music. That violent gang shit was kept separate from the main culture of hip-hop.

The rhyming, the DJ’ing, the dancing and the graffiti was the main focus…. NOT whether you were really ”puttin in work” out there on the streets.

Nobody got murdered for dissing their “opps”.

C’mon, man.
 
Hip-hop wasn’t based on violent gang culture.

That lifestyle was never portrayed in the music. That violent gang shit was kept separate from the main culture of hip-hop.

The rhyming, the DJ’ing, the dancing and the graffiti was the main focus…. NOT whether you were really ”puttin in work” out there on the streets.

Nobody got murdered for dissing their “opps”.

C’mon, man.

You really think the street organizations in NYC the 70s that were behind the makings of Hip Hop and the culture wasn't putting in work?

Only difference between Hip Hop in the 70s and now is that rappers today are more honest about where they came from, where their allegiances lie and what's going on behind the scenes.

The gang shit was always there.

B-boying, graffiti, DJing, battling, all of this was established by gang members. Hip Hop was created in the Bronx, the poorest most destitute borough of NYC. It was gangland in the 70s.

The first gangsta rap record was Schoolly D's PSK, shoouting his gang in 1985. Boogie Down Production's Criminal Minded drops in 1987.

Lol, so in 10 years, Hip Hop went from hanging out in the park, listening to some breakbeats, doing a little bit of graffiti, going to a b-boy battle then accelerating into some violent gang shit.

Or the gangs, drugs and violence was always part of Hip Hop and rappers didn't talk about it because Hip Hop was seen as an offshoot of Disco and Techno in the 70s and early 80s until after the the death of Disco and dance music, you start seeing a shift towards rapping being essential to the artform instead of DJs and the beat. You start seeing rappers rap about where they come from and who they hang with it and who they are affiliated with.
 
You really think the street organizations in NYC the 70s that were behind the makings of Hip Hop and the culture wasn't putting in work?

That lifestyle was never portrayed in the music. That violent gang shit was kept separate from the main culture of hip-hop.

the gangs, drugs and violence was always part of Hip Hop and rappers didn't talk about it because Hip Hop was seen as an offshoot of Disco and Techno in the 70s and early 80s until after the the death of Disco and dance music, you start seeing a shift towards rapping being essential to the artform instead of DJs and the beat. You start seeing rappers rap about where they come from and who they hang with it and who they are affiliated with.

Ain’t that what I said?

That violent gang shit was kept separate from the main culture of hip-hop.


And also…

Nobody got murdered for dissing their “opps”.

I never said they weren’t out in the streets “puttin in work”, I said the main focus was rhyming, DJ’ing , dancing and graffiti…… Not how “gangsta” you are.
 
The fact is you liked the music and niggas ain’t ask you why. Y’all hip hop purists be wanting full explanations
So you reduced my question to him as me being a purist?

Man go back to sleep czar
 
So you reduced my question to him as me being a purist?

Man go back to sleep czar

Well usually the hip hop nerds or purists want long explanations on why somebody they deem as wack is considered talented by another party. Somebody from Bew Orleans should easily understand this
 
Well usually the hip hop nerds or purists want long explanations on why somebody they deem as wack is considered talented by another party. Somebody from Bew Orleans should easily understand this
so you projected and made an assumption instead of letting the interaction play out

got it
 
so you projected and made an assumption instead of letting the interaction play out

got it

Not a projection you did want an explanation on why he thought they were talented. And you only ask because you don’t see the talent nor would his answer change your opinion. It’s like coming to a lupe thread and doing the same thing
 
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