Question is this fair.......

[Rubato]

attitudes are changing and a more inclusive society is on the horizon.

get down or lay down

We are redefining some boundaries but they still serve a purpose and aren’t ever going away completely

 

[Race Jones]

As the parent of a daughter I would just hate for her to be in the position where she has trained for years to be the best at something, only to lose to someone who was competing against men a year ago

oh pls rubato.

i doubt thats even a real fear of yours, seeing as tho
after two years of HRT, transgender women athletic ability is fairly equivalent to cisgender women.

is your daughter training for wwe or something?

 

[Rubato]

oh pls rubato.

i doubt thats even a real fear of yours, seeing as tho
after two years of HRT, transgender women athletic ability is fairly equivalent to cisgender women.

is your daughter training for wwe or something?

She can train for whatever interests her

Are HS track and field athletes required to wait 2 yrs to compete?

And a 12% advantage in a race is massive

Trans women retain 12% edge in tests two years after transitioning, study finds

Trans women retained a 12% advantage and their testosterone levels remained higher even after two years of taking suppressing hormones

www.theguardian.com

 

[Race Jones]

plus it wouldnt be an issue if each athlete was tested on an individual basis and if trans youth could transition early so they didn't go through cis puberty. but you people don't understand that do you??? just collective punishment for all trans ppl

or heres an idea, why not check the hormone levels of every athlete (cis women can have elevated T for example) and divide by height and weight rather than birth gender. some trans girls take hormone blockers and will not go through puberty

canceling out this whole argument

 

[Race Jones]

She can train for whatever interests her

Are HS track and field athletes required to wait 2 yrs to compete?

And a 12% advantage in a race is massive

Trans women retain 12% edge in tests two years after transitioning, study finds

Trans women retained a 12% advantage and their testosterone levels remained higher even after two years of taking suppressing hormones

www.theguardian.com

train harder

 

[DOS_patos]

But what about the let them cook culture?

This is what boils when you let them cook.

#barz

 

[Rubato]

plus it wouldnt be an issue if each athlete was tested on an individual basis and if trans youth could transition early so they didn't go through cis puberty. but you people don't understand that do you??? just collective punishment for all trans ppl

or heres an idea, why not check the hormone levels of every athlete (cis women can have elevated T for example) and divide by height and weight rather than birth gender. some trans girls take hormone blockers and will not go through puberty

canceling out this whole argument

I don’t think high schools or the UIL are set up to monitor hormone levels...I may be wrong

 

[Rubato]

train harder

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Biology limits how hard you can train

 

[Race Jones]

how many trans athletes compete aganist cisgender women/men and win? both on the Hs, olympic and collegiate level

im interested in learning that.

 

[Disanthrope]

She can train for whatever interests her

Are HS track and field athletes required to wait 2 yrs to compete?

And a 12% advantage in a race is massive

Trans women retain 12% edge in tests two years after transitioning, study finds

Trans women retained a 12% advantage and their testosterone levels remained higher even after two years of taking suppressing hormones

www.theguardian.com

Case closed.

Its unfair @Race Jones

 

[Race Jones]

Biology limits how hard you can train

women process oxygen faster than young men.
if youre daughter is running track, shes already at an advantage

 

[Dwayne]

12% is fucking massive and that’s the ones that’s on hormones. The ones that’s not. That’s a whole different ball game

 

[Race Jones]

12% is fucking massive and that’s the ones that’s on hormones. The ones that’s not. That’s a whole different ball game

but you do recognize the flaws in the study?

it was on transgender men and women in the military. you dont know when they started HRT and im sure their bodies are different than those playing on the HS level

 

[Inori]

ppl have to unpack their transphobia because the topic deserves way more nuance than whats been given

Agreed there should be more nuance.. on both sides of the argument.

Just because someone may not want their child competing against a trans person that might have an unfair advantage depending on the situation doesnt mean there is transphobia there. There may be some legitimate concerns that shouldnt just be written off by calling someone transphobic for questioning it. Nuance needs to be given on both sides

 

[SneakDZA]

It's unfair. If the point of being trans is you were essentially born in the wrong body then a trans woman acknowledges that her body is male. In a sport where male bodies have an advantage over a female body the trans people should play with the gender of their body Bruce Jenner style.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

train harder

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Men are typically able to train at a higher intensity though.

 

[Race Jones]

Agreed there should be more nuance.. on both sides of the argument.

Just because someone may not want their child competing against a trans person that might have an unfair advantage depending on the situation doesnt mean there is transphobia there. There may be some legitimate concerns that shouldnt just be written off by calling someone transphobic for questioning it. Nuance needs to be given on both sides

nah a large percentage of ppl are transphobic. just read the replies in this thread.

i debate about these kinds of these things on social media, panels and podcast.

anti societal attitudes/norms towards trans persons is what drives these discussions not geniune concern for cisgender athletes

 

[Dwayne]

nah a large percentage of ppl are transphobic. just read the replies in this thread.

i debate about these kinds of these things on social media, panels and podcast.

anti societal attitudes/norms towards trans persons is what drives these discussions not geniune concern for cisgender athletes

What post in here says transphobic

 

[Race Jones]

Men are typically able to train at a higher intensity though.

science has come a long way from this idea that men are better athletes because of their biological makeup.

plus strength can be defined in many ways

 

[Dwayne]

science has come a long way from this idea that men are better athletes because of their biological makeup.

plus strength can be defined in many ways

Men are better athletes.

You can’t show one thing that says other wise