Old Man Can Presents... "Looking back at it" thread

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This is a critical thinking type of thread or let's dig deeper type of thread were we analyze culture, music, political and other thought provoking subjects.
 
I'll go first....



Looking back at it.....Movies like Boyz N the Hood, Menace 2 Society and others. Was more of a detriment than a success while shining light on the plight of the Black youth.

Why I say that is because it really showed all of Black youth what the gang life was about where most areas those movies was shown in really didn't have gangs. Am I saying did two movies was the main reason kids wanted to be gang members no. What I'm saying it put the thought of being in gangs a thing.


Thoughts?
 
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Old Man Cain said:
I'll go first....



Looking back at it.....Movies like Boyz N the Hood, Menace 2 Society and others. Was more of a detriment than a success while shining light on the plight of the Black youth.

Why I say that is because it really showed all of Black youth what the gang life was about where most areas those movies was shown in really didn't have gangs. Am I saying did two movies was the main reason kids wanted to be gang members no. What I'm saying it put the thought of being in gangs a thing.


Thoughts?
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Id say what it gsve way to breeding strayed far from the cautionary tale.. and turned self exploitation, caricature in shows like power/empire etc where the lifestyle seems tobe celebrated and the characters were/are deified...

It also doesnt help that even if the intention werent motivated that people lack nuance, context and good damn sense more than you know so they glorify and emulate what they see much like music, pop culture etc
 
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Duwop said:
Bad take... Them stories were needed. It humanized our communities at a time we were being demonized....
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Even though I agree a little I'll play devil's advocate.......

After those movies came out the gang presence in other states went on a rise. There was no crips n bloods in NY and the South like that BUT after those movies came out the gangs came out to the East and South. I agree the movies told our stories but did those stories really need to be pushed out to the mainstream?
 
Old Man Cain said:
Even though I agree a little I'll play devil's advocate.......

After those movies came out the gang presence in other states went on a rise. There was no crips n bloods in NY and the South like that BUT after those movies came out the gangs came out to the East and South. I agree the movies told our stories but did those stories really need to be pushed out to the mainstream?
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Also to add to what I'm saying. A Different World the TV series is associated with the rise of Black youth entering college and especially HBCU's so a movie being swaying the youth to join a gang isnt too far fetched
 
Old Man Cain said:
Even though I agree a little I'll play devil's advocate.......

After those movies came out the gang presence in other states went on a rise. There was no crips n bloods in NY and the South like that BUT after those movies came out the gangs came out to the East and South. I agree the movies told our stories but did those stories really need to be pushed out to the mainstream?
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Gangs were already on the rise... And people thought them niggaz was the devil. They had tanks in them neighborhoods, military like raids like that hoods were full of terrorists.

Movies like those showed that it was really just misguided youth with very few real ones actually trying to mentor and stir them in the right direction.

O-dog still had respect for Caine grandparents, Shariff Dad... He was America's nightmare, but the kid still knew how to have manners...

Doughboy still had a heart. He loved Tre like a brother and understood why he got out the car. Like those movies showed that these "thugs" weren't all monsters... They were a lot closer to the kids that were in our school if we didn't pay attention..

Great movies for the communities in my humble opinion
 
Old Man Cain said:
I'll go first....



Looking back at it.....Movies like Boyz N the Hood, Menace 2 Society and others. Was more of a detriment than a success while shining light on the plight of the Black youth.

Why I say that is because it really showed all of Black youth what the gang life was about where most areas those movies was shown in really didn't have gangs. Am I saying did two movies was the main reason kids wanted to be gang members no. What I'm saying it put the thought of being in gangs a thing.


Thoughts?
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My biggest problem with them was that copycats sprung up. In Detroit we had a rash of niggas gettin jacked by niggas in panel vans immediately after Menace. Car thefts and joyriding spiked after New Jersey Drive, especially with Japanese cars.

Outside of that, I think the movies humanized us to some degree, but their popularity spurred a glut of hood flicks that basically dominated Black cinema throughout the 90's.
 
Duwop said:
Gangs were already on the rise... And people thought them niggaz was the devil. They had tanks in them neighborhoods, military like raids like that hoods were full of terrorists.

Movies like those showed that it was really just misguided youth with very few real ones actually trying to mentor and stir them in the right direction.

O-dog still had respect for Caine grandparents, Shariff Dad... He was America's nightmare, but the kid still knew how to have manners...

Doughboy still had a heart. He loved Tre like a brother and understood why he got out the car. Like those movies showed that these "thugs" weren't all monsters... They were a lot closer to the kids that were in our school if we didn't pay attention..

Great movies for the communities in my humble opinion
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Colors introduced crips and bloods into the public eye, and they started to pop up in a few states, but not like after the rise of hood flicks in the 90's.
 
Old Man Cain said:
I couldn't remember Colors for shit lol SMH.
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Maaaan, didn't NOBODY know what a crip, blood, or a drive by was outside of LA until that flick. And, of course, some niggas wanted to be like them obviously ignoring this part of it:



Dead... Muhfuckas died.

Then, of course, Nightline, 20/20, 60 Minutes, etc did pieces on it not long after


 
konceptjones said:
Maaaan, didn't NOBODY know what a crip, blood, or a drive by was outside of LA until that flick. And, of course, some niggas wanted to be like them obviously ignoring this part of it:



Dead... Muhfuckas died.

Then, of course, Nightline, 20/20, 60 Minutes, etc did pieces on it not long after


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You're right
 
Here's another "Looking back at it"

Star Wars whole concept is a direct ripoff of the 70-80's Kung Fu Theater movies.

The young fighter gets harassed by the evil old masters minions and lose. Young fighter finds out he's actually really nice with it just needs training from the old white hair master. He goes and finds the old white haired master to sharpen his skill to go fight the evil old master...sometimes with swords 😂
 
Being from LA, Imo the spread of gangs to other states come from the dope gang. Niggas were already picking sides before the movies came out. I seen it first hand in KC Missouri, Seattle and Denver. Besides, gangs from Chicago were just as popular as Crips & Bloods in other states so it's hard to blame hood movies for the spread bcuz Chicago didn't have any movies out about their culture IIRC.
 
Old Man Cain said:
I'll go first....



Looking back at it.....Movies like Boyz N the Hood, Menace 2 Society and others. Was more of a detriment than a success while shining light on the plight of the Black youth.

Why I say that is because it really showed all of Black youth what the gang life was about where most areas those movies was shown in really didn't have gangs. Am I saying did two movies was the main reason kids wanted to be gang members no. What I'm saying it put the thought of being in gangs a thing.


Thoughts?
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In alot of those cities they'll tell you the gangs already existed. Those movies may have helped put an established name to them but they was already there
 
Old Man Cain said:
Not going to lie this is a first time hearing of this
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The reliance on the three didn’t become a thing until Steph came around. Some people emulated him, others realized that statistically you have a better shot of winning by shooting a lot more threes.

I could be wrong, but I’ve seen similar takes from other people as well.
 
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