Lebron: Rings Shouldn't Matter; Rings Arent As Important In Other Sports

BlackRain said:
This is from 2013. You think that 2016 ring changed his pov? Not a gotcha question. Legit asking.

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There’s nuance. Nobody with any sense is putting Horry over Bron for example. But when it’s time to rank the greatest of the greats, championships are a significant factor.


But he knows that, that’s why him and wade created a superteam after Kobe’s 5th.
 
Goldie said:
There’s nuance. Nobody with any sense is putting Horry over Bron for example. But when it’s time to rank the greatest of the greats, championships are a significant factor.


But he knows that, that’s why him and wade created a superteam after Kobe’s 5th.
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They formed that team because of Boston's Big 3 superteam that got put together. And yes there is nuance. But those discussions often happen without it. That's how you got people earlier this season making arguments like "Did Steph need a Finals MVP to be considered one of the best PGs ever" as if it wasn't already clear
 
BlackRain said:
They formed that team because of Boston's Big 3 superteam that got put together. And yes there is nuance. But those discussions often happen without it. That's how you got people earlier this season making arguments like "Did Steph need a Finals MVP to be considered one of the best PGs ever" as if it wasn't already clear
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He said this a handfull of times:

 
BlackRain said:
Then wasn't no point in mentioning him lol
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For me, it’s what would drive me to be greater and better. It would drive me to want to win the chip more.

Remember in 2016, Klay I think it was talked that smack? Bron said bet, say less… came back to win it down 3-1…

That’s the kind of motivation needed.

To be all meh about it doesn’t make me confident we are winning another one.
 
VIBE said:
For me, it’s what would drive me to be greater and better. It would drive me to want to win the chip more.

Remember in 2016, Klay I think it was talked that smack? Bron said bet, say less… came back to win it down 3-1…

That’s the kind of motivation needed.

To be all meh about it doesn’t make me confident we are winning another one.
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When you mention a player like Horry who obviously isn't better than alot of players who never won rings as part of the rings argument it just validates the side of the argument that says people overvalue them. Shit Randy Brown got 3 rings just being on the Bulls roster. You telling me he's a better guard than Isaiah Thomas?
 
BlackRain said:
He can think that. He's wrong but he can think that. That dont mean he's wrong in the other assessment
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But he's wrong. Most people not running around talking about players without rings can't be great. He name dropped AI and Barkley. Who have you heard say that those two aren't great because they don't have rings? Shaq shits on Barkley all the time because he doesn't have a ring, but Shaq has never once denied Barkley's greatness.

The ring argument doesn't usually even come up until two players are being compared. It's not diminishing Player B to suggest that Player A was the greater player due to winning more.
 
Dwayne said:
Losing 6 finals mean absolutely nothing

It’s about the ones you win.


I hate the argument that losing in the playoffs is less not as bad as losing in the finals.

You still didn’t win
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Who says that though? Most people I've heard would argue the opposite since it means you won more in getting to the Finals than you did flaming out earlier in the playoffs.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Who says that though? Most people I've heard would argue the opposite since it means you won more in getting to the Finals than you did flaming out earlier in the playoffs.
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Everybody.

That’s why his losses are brought up like it matters that you caught the L early or later.
 
Mister B. M. Ed. said:
He’s right. Ring culture isn’t as dominant in other sports than it is in the NBA:

Dan Marino - One of THE greatest to ever play QB….no SB rings. Only made it to the Bowl once. Still held in high regard, over a lot of QBs that do have titles.

Barry Bonds - Pretty much THE greatest hitter that ever played baseball, Roids or not. Never won a WS title. Held in higher regard than 98% of MLB players.

Reynaldo - Never won a World Cup. Still Top 5 DOA in the eyes of millions of soccer players.

AI - Probably still the pound-for-pound king, even without an NBA title. More celebrated than many champions that were his contemporaries during his generation.

Besides: if ring culture was the end-all-be-all, BILL RUSSELL would forever be the king.

But we’re not ready for THAT conversation either.

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Rest In Power to the true titan of the NBA.
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It’s a nuanced argument. Bill getting 11 as a center where you had a few teams? It’s impressive. Michael getting six rings puts him over Bill IMO, because getting those rings as a guard is much harder to do. You can compare the sports, but you can’t if you’re only playing one side of the ball.
 
Dwayne said:
Everybody.

That’s why his losses are brought up like it matters that you caught the L early or later.
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His Finals losses are brought up because he's being compared to Jordan who didn't lose in the Finals. I've never heard anyone say Lebron's Finals losses are worse than someone else's losses in the first round.

People need to remember the context for 98% of these discussions. People are usually either comparing Lebron to MJ or Kobe. They aren't just making random comments.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
But he's wrong. Most people not running around talking about players without rings can't be great. He name dropped AI and Barkley. Who have you heard say that those two aren't great because they don't have rings? Shaq shits on Barkley all the time because he doesn't have a ring, but Shaq has never once denied Barkley's greatness.

The ring argument doesn't usually even come up until two players are being compared. It's not diminishing Player B to suggest that Player A was the greater player due to winning more.
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Nobody said, not even Bron, that players can't be great. The conversation is taking away from and diminishing careers due to shit like we've already seen in this thread "Horry got 7 rings." Silly shit like that does get said. Thats why I used the Randy Brown/Isaiah Thomas comparison. Nobody in their right mind is taking him or Steve Kerr over another guard simply because they "won more rings".

Because using rings as the sole or even final determining factor just misses alot of shit especially when certain comparisons get made. It also forces people to talk about what a player hasn't done as opposed to what they have. And when done enough that can become the narrative on somebody's career.
 
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RandomNegro said:
LeBron is a shameful ass nigga.
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RandomNegro said:
It’s a nuanced argument. Bill getting 11 as a center where you had a few teams? It’s impressive. Michael getting six rings puts him over Bill IMO, because getting those rings as a guard is much harder to do. You can compare the sports, but you can’t if you’re only playing one side of the ball.
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BS.

Kareem's got six....AND SIX MVPs. More than anyone. AND retired #1 scorer all-time. AND retired as all-time all-star nods. And won the block title 4x.

What's y'all excuse for that?
 
Didn't they say MJ couldn't be the top because he couldn't lead a team to a chip like Bird, Magic, and Kareem??? In the 80s???
 
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