It's long past due we talked about the anti-intellectualism sentiment in America (and the world, for that matter)

[konceptjones]

Ok, lemme put something out here y'all:

Anyone can be smart, but intelligence is something you're born with; you either have it or you don't. It cannot be acquired no matter how much you read, how many degrees you have, etc. They're not interchangeable like that.

 

[Duwop]

This comedian Brian Simpson... His shit on Netflix.... He said some shit like.... Research, science, investigations... Like if you really want facts and answers... The truth.... That shit takes time. It takes time and consideration... Cuz we want it to be accurate.

Ignorance though? That shit instant. Like immediate. If you have a question, like a serious question.... It may take some time to get the real answers.... But if you go online cuz you need an answer now.... You gonna find a whole lotta ignorance.

Cuz we live in a society where nobody has the time or energy for research, science, investigations...studies.... waiting for the truth. We want the quickest, loudest and most direct answer that already leans into what we suspected was the answer to begin with.

We actively choose ignorance. Every single time. That's why the market is so flooded with it. Ignorance is everywhere.

I know that's a horrible joke, that's not the way he says it on stage... But it's what I got from it as an observation on society... We Encourage ignorance because we demand instant gratification in our seeking for "information"

 

[ZMaKEa]

Ok, lemme put something out here y'all:

Anyone can be smart, but intelligence is something you're born with; you either have it or you don't. It cannot be acquired no matter how much you read, how many degrees you have, etc. They're not interchangeable like that.

Well yeah.

People equate intelligence with being knowledgeable and educated.

Intelligence does not correlate to anything besides the ability to learn a subject well and career success.

What has happened to society is the lack of value in expertise. Which is what graduate level degrees gives people.

Which is bound to happen in a world where you can ask a chat robot anything you want and it gives a decent answer.

 

[Lab Baby]

I was placed in special ed during grade school due to behavioral issues. The first day, literally the first hour I went to class my teacher pulled me out due to how I tested and the school put me in an advanced class. I was always a C+ student because I didn't like homework, but they kept putting me in advanced classes. I was taking calculus in 9th grade, but was flunking English because I didn't read Catcher In The Rye.

Judging (American) intelligence by scholastic endeavors is futile because the American public education system is broken as fuck. The issue with Americans is that we're prideful and ignorant of things past our nose. @ZMaKEa you said this in the other thread... ppl, particularly Republicans, pick vision over policy. They rather be sold a dream than put everything on the table and solve each problem accordingly. They would rather flush the economy down the toilet than have to learn to Spanish or be told they can't use the women's bathroom. Mufuckas barely know how to cook without a microwave, let alone understand that drawbacks of tariffs. Lack of academic, emotional and spiritual intelligence for decades led to millions of Americans voting in a WWE Hall of Famer with 34 felonies. Some of these ppl are Nobel Peace Prize winners.

 

[Dwayne]

Education is not a liberal degree. There ARE nuances that YouTube can’t teach you. Especially in certain parts of Education like Special Ed. Not every teacher can write an IEP, or even understand what that means to the education of a Special Education student.

I’m not saying that you need college to be considered smart but it IS used as a measurement for several things about a person: persistence, tenacity, resourcefulness, adaptability. The experience alone says that either you’re cut for that industry or not shines through with a acknowledgment of completion of that field.

Also, I’m not trusting unqualified people with in some cases, my life, without education and training in that field. No way would people fly on an airline if it was discovered their pilots were getting aviation degrees from DeVry, or would they accept treatment from doctors that only went to community college.

Those accolades stand for SOMETHING out here.

Lmao. Okay

 

[konceptjones]

Well yeah.

People equate intelligence with being knowledgeable and educated.

Intelligence does not correlate to anything besides the ability to learn a subject well and career success.

What has happened to society is the lack of value in expertise. Which is what graduate level degrees gives people.

Which is bound to happen in a world where you can ask a chat robot anything you want and it gives a decent answer.

Career success has very little to do with intelligence. Intelligence yields ideas, abstractions, reasoning, and challenges to what's presented to those that possess it. People like this have a natural curiosity about the world around them, its many facets, and how it works. Intelligence is something you're really born with; it is your innate nature. It expresses itself in many ways but usually as a person that questions what they're taught and looks beyond the page in front of them. You can train yourself to be smart, but intelligence is something you're born with.

You can have a very successful career by just being smart.

 

[ZMaKEa]

Career success has very little to do with intelligence. Intelligence yields ideas, abstractions, reasoning, and challenges to what's presented to those that possess it. People like this have a natural curiosity about the world around them, its many facets, and how it works. Intelligence is something you're really born with; it is your innate nature. It expresses itself in many ways but usually as a person that questions what they're taught and looks beyond the page in front of them. You can train yourself to be smart, but intelligence is something you're born with.

You can have a very successful career by just being smart.

Career success does correlates with intelligence, people with higher IQs have greater career success than people that don't.

Intelligence is probably better explained as cognitive ability.

When we are talking about highly competitive fields that try to measure cognitive ability in their assessment of prospects like quantitative trading, it shows. You aren't going to be selected without an above average IQ.

Most careers that people get into aren't that competitive and require novel thinking.

An auto mechanic isn't going to be asked to take an IQ test so he can be evaluated on how to well be thinks and process information.

He is asked to know how to change a tire. Something that is rote memorization and following an established process.

Anyway, I doubt many people outside of those looking towards occupations that require cognitive testing ever took an IQ test and care enough to.

Highly intelligent people self-select for occupations that require high levels of intelligence and those occupations yield high financial success.

 

[konceptjones]

Career success does correlates with intelligence, people with higher IQs have greater career success than people that don't.

Intelligence is probably better explained as cognitive ability.

When we are talking about highly competitive fields that try to measure cognitive ability in their assessment of prospects like quantitative trading, it shows. You aren't going to be selected without an above average IQ.

Most careers that people get into aren't that competitive and require novel thinking.

An auto mechanic isn't going to be asked to take an IQ test so he can be evaluated on how to well be thinks and process information.

He is asked to know how to change a tire. Something that is rote memorization and following an established process.

Anyway, I doubt many people outside of those looking towards occupations that require cognitive testing ever took an IQ test and care enough to.

Highly intelligent people self-select for occupations that require high levels of intelligence and those occupations yield high financial success.

Members of Mensa are plumbers, auto mechanics, janitors, and other jobs that don't fit your expectation of a person with a high IQ. Same for Triple Nine, same for Mega, same for Prometheus. You believe that because that's what society believes a person with a high IQ would do... because you simply don't understand what living with a high IQ means. I can speak from this perspective because my IQ places me above 99.9998615605% of the global population in terms of intellect. I still have friends I was in gifted school with. One is a heavy mechanic that is also the frontman for a local gigging band. One has held odd jobs but currently helps with grow operations around the state. One went to the military, used to throw up cell towers after he got discharged, and is now selling cellphones for Boost Mobile. Of us, I'm one of the few that went into a technical field. Most of us will find something we're happy doing and will stay in that lane. Society expects that we wish to be rich, but the reality is we wish to be happy.