Is reality different than perception when searching for the truth?

[BRIAN B.]

I don't like the idea that everyone has their own reality and they can just think they're right because in their reality they are. It gives people too much certainty and confidence, and we all know 'pride goeth before a fall'. There's an advantage to being open to alternative views and questions about reality which is thrown away if we just limit ourselves to our own reality

It's not really bout right or wrong, cuz depending on what you believe determines what's right or wrong to you

sum people think recreational marijuana is wrong, does that mean they're right? No, it's jus what they believe

ours brains subconsciously create a reality as a coping mechanism

 

[LUCIEN]

It's not really bout right or wrong, cuz depending on what you believe determines what's right or wrong to you

sum people think recreational marijuana is wrong, does that mean they're right? No, it's jus what they believe

ours brains subconsciously create a reality as a coping mechanism

See, that's that shit I don't like, because they develop convictions about their rightness, even though it's not right across the board for everyone, just in their view of reality

That's the kind of shit that allows huge human rights violations to go unchecked, because in the reality of the oppressor group, it's A-OK

 

[DOS_patos]

See, that's that shit I don't like, because they develop convictions about their rightness, even though it's not right across the board for everyone, just in their view of reality

That's the kind of shit that allows huge human rights violations to go unchecked, because in the reality of the oppressor group, it's A-OK

but in order for the oppressors reality to be true....the oppressed must believe its true to a degree as well.
a person cant have a truth forced upon them unless they gave up thinking on their own

 

[DOS_patos]

does a slave know hes a slave if thats all he knows?

 

[LUCIEN]

but in order for the oppressors reality to be true....the oppressed must believe its true to a degree as well.
a person cant have a truth forced upon them unless they gave up thinking on their own

does a slave know hes a slave if thats all he knows?

I don't think so. There should be an awakening moment when someone who is being taken advantage of learns that they are being exploited

Like how if all you know is a cave, then you step outside and see the outside world, you are only then able to know that there exists life besides cave life

 

[dasmooth1]

but what if the experience they drew to build perception was flawed? even if its their reality...the foundation of what they know is based on damaged or purposely given wrong information...and thats makes the person incapable of processing on a higher plane which then makes them stagnant.

That's what is so crazy about it. Despite the fact that their perception is flawed, as far as they are concerned that IS reality. Hence why so many people live in delusion e.g. Trump supporters who believe that Trump has their best interests at heart despite the fact he is the epitome of what they complain about

 

[LUCIEN]

Actually I change my mind. A slave can know about his exploitation simply by comparing his situation to the situation of nonslaves. He just has to be able to perceive how nonslaves live and compare it to how he lives

 

[DOS_patos]

I don't think so. There should be an awakening moment when someone who is being taken advantage of learns that they are being exploited

Like how if all you know is a cave, then you step outside and see the outside world, you are only then able to know that there exists life besides cave life

allegory of the cave

 

[DOS_patos]

Actually I change my mind. A slave can know about his exploitation simply by comparing his situation to the situation of nonslaves. He just has to be able to perceive how nonslaves live and compare it to how he lives

but he would have to know and believe within himself that he can be like that person or has the programming took ahold of his mind and that is his truth and he looks at the other guy like ...thats his truth. im glad hes doing well but this is where im happy.
but how does he know what makes him happy if he does have control of his own mind. he only processes what was told to him.
so in his mind...he is still not a slave...because that is his lifestyle.

 

[LUCIEN]

but he would have to know and believe within himself that he can be like that person or has the programming took ahold of his mind and that is his truth and he looks at the other guy like ...thats his truth. im glad hes doing well but this is where im happy.
but how does he know what makes him happy if he does have control of his own mind. he only processes what was told to him.
so in his mind...he is still not a slave...because that is his lifestyle.

Is he happy? I know that we need to be unhappy to appreciate real happiness sometimes, but I don't think that an exploited life is able to provide any happiness. Pain and suffering still exist, and are still felt, even if it is all you know. Our bodies and minds are physical things. They are still susceptible to be overworked, overstrained, and abused, even if that is all we know.

How would someone be happy in that life in your view?

 

[AZTG]

Reality is facts.
Personal reality is how you feel about facts.

In reality Trump is president. Cant change that in your reality no matter how hard you try.

In your personal reality, you can rightfully decide if Trump is a good or bad president. Two people having opposite views of Trump will be living in very different realities but both realities will be right.