OPINION Is Marvel's Black Panther movie really a "special moment" for Black America??

[AP4.0]

I hope so, shit if you can forgive knock for throwing your sneakers in the wash machine.....

That's how that story went right?

nah man, he used my bar soap to clean his fucking sneakers

now you got me all riled up again

 

[Loch121]

Just entered this thread for the first time. Have not read ANY posts.

My opinion is that this movie is fundamentally anti-black American, and has done and will continue to do great damage to African Americans. This is an unforgivable crime on the part of the black people involved in creating it.

This is coming from a West Indian.

Now I'll see what others have said about this movie.

It made a black American the villain and made his cause like a terrorist ,but it gave you the choice..BP's answer for racism was separatism having info, and defense while Killmonger was kamikaze style.In the end a lot of ppl understood killmonger so I cant say they did anything to damage niggas anymore than they are.

stop ya bloodclot cryin

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

man we been going back and forth about this for about what...2 weeks now?

you family lol

sometimes, family disagrees...nothing wrong with that

it's gon take WAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than a different pov about a movie for us to have a fallout

Yeah @King Du ain't fuck wit @AP21 soap yet.

They good.

 

[Duwop]

i think killmonger was right to hate wakanda for being innocent bystanders during the slave trade.....they are as guilty as the oppressors...they coulda shut all that hit down

 

[g-dog-ona-flytip]

Killmongerwas angry becaus3 black.panther killed his father and left him an orphan it's as simple As that.I hate how people.are.over politicizing this movie

 

[unspoken_respect]

I have to wonder how many people losing their shit about this movie even knew about Black Panther. Marvel fans and comic book fans knew. Black comic book fans definitely knew. Disney has changed the way they approach their media and has been trying to "include" everyone in their products. Even with that, until I actually saw Phase 3 I wouldn't have thought this movie was on the way to the big screen. BP is over 50 years old, hasn't been given any attention until the past few years, and is the overwhelming favorite black super hero. So how are people (especially black comic book fans) not supposed to be overhyped? Its movie about an fictional African King...in a fictional African nation. Fictional or not, we all knew how people would show up and I'm glad its getting so much love.

If Disney was owned by black people would that change everything? Would it be okay to wear dashikis then? Is Disney selling dashikis or telling black folk to wear them? What about the people that have always been wearing clothes with African design? Not to this movie?

If Disney was owned black people you think they would give all the proceeds to sick and impoverished Africans or black folks?

Would you be happy if no one cared about seeing a dark skinned hero movie and it flopped?

Why can't a movie be great regardless of who produces it? Fans may be over the top with the hype and excitement (which they should IMO), but the criticism by white and black people alike has been too.

#thereisnohype TBP is solid and im enjoying this MOVIE just for what it is regardless of what others want to make of it.

 

[Gray Matter]

It made a black American the villain and made his cause like a terrorist ,but it gave you the choice..BP's answer for racism was separatism having info, and defense while Killmonger was kamikaze style.In the end a lot of ppl understood killmonger so I cant say they did anything to damage niggas anymore than they are.

stop ya bloodclot cryin

I agree that Killmonger has some redeeming qualities -- at least partially redeeming qualities anyway -- and maybe you're right that a lot of people understood him, but my guess is that you're talking about African Americans. I'm talking about non-African Americans, and I'm telling you that this movie is reinforcing people's view that Africans are the good people of the black race and that African Americans are the bad. You can't let your personal admiration for Killmonger distort how you analyze this film from the perspective of non-African Americans.

 

[Gray Matter]

This guy is on to something with the first half of this:

 

[SeaSnake]

I agree that Killmonger has some redeeming qualities -- at least partially redeeming qualities anyway -- and maybe you're right that a lot of people understood him, but my guess is that you're talking about African Americans. I'm talking about non-African Americans, and I'm telling you that this movie is reinforcing people's view that Africans are the good people of the black race and that African Americans are the bad. You can't let your personal admiration for Killmonger distort how you analyze this film from the perspective of non-African Americans.

And what about the caribbean blacks. And honestly we should not care

 

[Gray Matter]

And what about the caribbean blacks. And honestly we should not care

Caribbean blacks are probably viewed as somewhere between AA and Africans, not as good as Africans but not as bad as AA.

 

[Gray Matter]

Also, I include Africans in the group of non-African Americans who this movie will negatively influence.

 

[g-dog-ona-flytip]

This guy is on to something with the first half of this:

This is exactly what I meant earlier by overpoliticizing thismovie. I saw this video yesterday and this guy drew a parrallel.that this movie paintsall AAs as.violentangry and crazybased off of one character. He never even mention that he is a halfblood wakandan or his motives as to why killmonger is so angry. He says black panther is very anti African American. That's not what I got when I saw it. Why can't people look at this movie objectively as a superhero flick and not some springboard to voice their world views off of?

 

[Soul_Rattler]

If you watched this movie in its entirety and decided that black Americans are bad, you've done exactly what systems of racism want you to, which is to highlight a man's state of being while ignoring his environment.

Don't indulge in a meta-social commentary on this film by saying Killmonger was an extremist without acknowledging that his methods were learned from the United States military. Don't say he just wanted to be a colonizer without acknowledging that he grew up in a colonized country. Don't say he didn't care about culture and family when he grew up in the hood under a single mother.

That's what I call intellectual dishonesty and cognitive dissonance: ignoring or dismissing a fact because it conflicts with a preexisting belief that you hold.

@Gray Matter

 

[BDP™️]

If you watched this movie in its entirety and decided that black Americans are bad, you've done exactly what systems of racism want you to, which is to highlight a man's state of being while ignoring his environment.

Don't indulge in a meta-social commentary on this film by saying Killmonger was an extremist without acknowledging that his methods were learned from the United States military. Don't say he just wanted to be a colonizer without acknowledging that he grew up in a colonized country. Don't say he didn't care about culture and family when he grew up in the hood under a single mother.

That's what I call intellectual dishonesty and cognitive dissonance: ignoring or dismissing a fact because it conflicts with a preexisting belief that you hold.

@Gray Matter

 

[Playmaker88]

Shouldn't have even wasted your time

 

[Gray Matter]

If you watched this movie in its entirety and decided that black Americans are bad, you've done exactly what systems of racism want you to, which is to highlight a man's state of being while ignoring his environment.

Don't indulge in a meta-social commentary on this film by saying Killmonger was an extremist without acknowledging that his methods were learned from the United States military. Don't say he just wanted to be a colonizer without acknowledging that he grew up in a colonized country. Don't say he didn't care about culture and family when he grew up in the hood under a single mother.

That's what I call intellectual dishonesty and cognitive dissonance: ignoring or dismissing a fact because it conflicts with a preexisting belief that you hold.

@Gray Matter

What's the relevant "preexisting belief" here? I hope it is not supposed to be that black Americans are bad. Cause it is because I, as a black West Indian, identity with black Americans that I find this movie so troubling.

As for the rest, I really think all of that is going to be lost on most audiences. They're going to ignore the forces that made him who he was, and concentrate on the way he was.

 

[Maywood]

Just got through eating lunch at Red Lobster and heard this White man waiter talking to this other Black woman waitress. He told her he going to name his first born “Wakanda”.... Just Powerful! People of all color love the movie.

That’s all....I’m out

 

[The Lonious Monk]

If you watched this movie in its entirety and decided that black Americans are bad, you've done exactly what systems of racism want you to, which is to highlight a man's state of being while ignoring his environment.

Don't indulge in a meta-social commentary on this film by saying Killmonger was an extremist without acknowledging that his methods were learned from the United States military. Don't say he just wanted to be a colonizer without acknowledging that he grew up in a colonized country. Don't say he didn't care about culture and family when he grew up in the hood under a single mother.

That's what I call intellectual dishonesty and cognitive dissonance: ignoring or dismissing a fact because it conflicts with a preexisting belief that you hold.

@Gray Matter

Good post even though it was kinda wasted responding to something absurdly stupid.

 

[a.mann]

Killmongerwas angry becaus3 black.panther killed his father and left him an orphan it's as simple As that.I hate how people.are.over politicizing this movie

Basically.
Killmonger wanted vengeance not no revolution. They ARE NOT one and the same.

Once Killmonger had the heart-shaped herbs destroy (which were being prepared for the next generation of kings), that was the indication he had no long term plans for the future outside causing as much pain, death & destruction as possible , even if it meant the downfall of Wakanda. T'Challa naturally could not let this happen.

In the end T'Challa rejects his father and ancestors isolationism of Wakanda and acknowledged that Killmonger was right. They can and should more to help. Which is why he went to Oakland to build to the outreach centers to honor & pay homage to his uncle & cousin.

 

[a.mann]

nitpicky but I think he was orphaned when his dad died

It wasn't never explicitly stated when or how, but YES, Killmonger mother was dead before his uncle killed his father