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Irv Gotti Calls Ashanti's Decision to Re-Record Her Albums "F***** Up"

Big Lurko said:
Ehh If all she did was sing words someone else wrote and produced, it is kinda fucked up to later sneak and undercut everyone involved in the record for personal profit. Its not my fault you signed the contract to a record label that gave you that stardom but wanted an aggressive roi.

You fuck up peoples earned ability for generational wealth from years of hard work with moves like that.

Instead of wasting time to re-record old records, have faith in your abilities to be independent moving forward and make new music.
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This makes sense to a degree. But she is a writer and she has writing credit on her first album.

I would say that once you leave your recording company, you should be able to get your masters.
 
Artist be having fucked up deals and don't usually know how bad those deals are until they get hip to the game down the line. The money is in ownership, which is what Irv has, Ashanti as the artist wants this. Now it becomes a matter of who made money and for how long off these masters. Irv made ALOTTA of money of those masters and is now complaining about Ashanti "fuckin" up his money. This the same irv that was accused of living the high life and spending his artist's album budgets on extacy, hotel rooms, rented mansions and partying. While Ashanti wasn't eating right off her music. Irv then got himself and his label into some "wanna be" gangster situation n the feds fucked up the rest of the bread for a minute. I say all that to say this. Irv YOU fucked your money up for a long time. Ashanti just tryinta get hers right.
 
Big Lurko said:
Ehh If all she did was sing words someone else wrote and produced, it is kinda fucked up to later sneak and undercut everyone involved in the record for personal profit. Its not my fault you signed the contract to a record label that gave you that stardom but wanted an aggressive roi.

You fuck up peoples earned ability for generational wealth from years of hard work with moves like that.

Instead of wasting time to re-record old records, have faith in your abilities to be independent moving forward and make new music.
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she wrote the majority of her records
 
Every artist need to peep what Master P did, before you sign a contract make sure you have control of your masters
 
Big Lurko said:
Well than that changes it
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Even if she didn't, it really comes down to the question of who is more responsible for hits: the artist or the machine behind the artist. Gotti believes it's the machine. If that's true, he's got nothing to worry about because the albums he owns will be the superior product and people will stick with those. If it's the artist then people are going to be loyal to Ashanti even if the new product isn't as good.

The wisest thing would make sure everyone gets their fair share, but that's never been how the music industry operated.
 
loud-ninja said:
This makes sense to a degree. But she is a writer and she has writing credit on her first album.

I would say that once you leave your recording company, you should be able to get your masters.
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Nosign. The record label puts up millions in promotion, advertising, marketing, and tour support. The label doesn't spend all that money promoting your record for charity. They do it to get a return on their investment. Anybody that knows anything about business knows that sometimes you have to invest millions in the short term to get that money back tenfold in the long term.

In other words, you spend $1 Million promoting, advertising and marketing an album with the hopes that over the next 50 years you'll make $100 million back. The label should keep the masters because they're in it for the long term. The whole music business isn't about the short term, it's about giving an artist a cash advance, creating an album and selling it over the long term over 50+ years. If the artist blows his cash advance on jewelry and champagne then don't complain about getting ripped off.






Chi-Town B said:
Every artist need to peep what Master P did, before you sign a contract make sure you have control of your masters
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Nah, it's not that simple. Everybody doesn't have the business acumen to control their masters. Unless you can communicate effectively with people that have MBAs in a boardroom you might be better off having the label control your masters. You'd probably make more money with the label controlling your masters than you'd make controlling them yourself. Chances are you don't know how to get your music in movies and TV commercials. You'll make more money in the long run splitting the publishing 50/50 with the label and letting the label own your masters, unless you really know what you're doing. And you probably don't.
 
5 Grand said:
Nosign. The record label puts up millions in promotion, advertising, marketing, and tour support. The label doesn't spend all that money promoting your record for charity. They do it to get a return on their investment. Anybody that knows anything about business knows that sometimes you have to invest millions in the short term to get that money back tenfold in the long term.

In other words, you spend $1 Million promoting, advertising and marketing an album with the hopes that over the next 50 years you'll make $100 million back. The label should keep the masters because they're in it for the long term. The whole music business isn't about the short term, it's about giving an artist a cash advance, creating an album and selling it over the long term over 50+ years. If the artist blows his cash advance on jewelry and champagne then don't complain about getting ripped off.









Nah, it's not that simple. Everybody doesn't have the business acumen to control their masters. Unless you can communicate effectively with people that have MBAs in a boardroom you might be better off having the label control your masters. You'd probably make more money with the label controlling your masters than you'd make controlling them yourself. Chances are you don't know how to get your music in movies and TV commercials. You'll make more money in the long run splitting the publishing 50/50 with the label and letting the label own your masters, unless you really know what you're doing. And you probably don't.
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This is the old way of doing things. As you can see, people are finding ways around it. Also, people are going different routes instead of majors. They need to fix the way they do business.
 
I'm confused as to what the issue is.

Shit is business. Right?

Gotti owns the majority of all those records. As the producer on most of the records, executive producer on all of the projects and head of the label, he profits WAY more on her music that she does. Even though she wrote most of the records and performed all of the records. And that's something that she has to live with and take the L on, because that's what the contract stipulates and he is getting what he is legally entitled to.

If there is nothing in that contract or the law that prevents her from re-recording the songs on her own and if her fans decide they want to purchase or stream THAT version rather than the original that Gotti owns...then that's business, also. It is what it is.

If it was just business when you were being compensated more than me for the records because the contract is the contract, then it should be business now that I've found a way around that, within the confines of the law.
 
I just thought of something. Wouldnt this make the original recordings more valuable? I would need to hear the new recordings compared to the old.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
lol Nigga basically made the argument for why it's smart for her to do what she's doing. She's the artist, but he owns everything. I'm sure if they sat down at the table and worked something out it wouldn't go this far, but we all know he wasn't trying to do that.
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Isn't this the same nigga who had a video posted about how he would fucc up 50's career if he signed him to Murder Inc??
 
Smart woman.


Well, smart enough to follow Taylor Swift's lead.


She did the same thing.


As much as I thought I knew about the business, I didn't even think something like that made a difference.


I always thought the rights to the song went to whoever owned them.


Never knew you could re-record them and establish new rights to the songs.
 
So, I guess this means Jay-Z could re-record Reasonable Doubt and get the rights to the new re-recorded songs.


If true, he'll probably be the next artist to do this.
 
Big Lurko said:
Ehh If all she did was sing words someone else wrote and produced, it is kinda fucked up to later sneak and undercut everyone involved in the record for personal profit. Its not my fault you signed the contract to a record label that gave you that stardom but wanted an aggressive roi.

You fuck up peoples earned ability for generational wealth from years of hard work with moves like that.

Instead of wasting time to re-record old records, have faith in your abilities to be independent moving forward and make new music.
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This is the part I don't understand.


If someone else wrote and produced the songs.............she shouldn't even have the right to re-record them without their permission.


I mean, it makes sense if she wrote the songs and sold them to someone else, but.........if someone else wrote the songs...........they should still get paid regardless.


That's like some random person being able to re-record an album that they didn't have anything to do with and getting paid off of it.


Doesn't make sense to me.
 
deadeye said:
This is the part I don't understand.


If someone else wrote and produced the songs.............she shouldn't even have the right to re-record them without their permission.


I mean, it makes sense if she wrote the songs and sold them to someone else, but.........if someone else wrote the songs...........they should still get paid regardless.


That's like some random person being able to re-record an album that they didn't have anything to do with and getting paid off of it.


Doesn't make sense to me.
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But she is the singer she had something to do with it
 
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