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OPINION "Iconic" is going to be the new "classic"

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Ok, this has bothered me for some time b/c it seems like there is never a discussion on how we should classify albums.

Does anyone know what the rankings were before the Source coined the term "hip hop classic"?

I honestly dont know, but the music landscape has changed SOOOOO much since The Source was the primary source of music publications.

I think there should be a place for extremely SPECIAL albums. I think there can be a bunch of classics, but the word classic today, doesnt mean what it did back then imo.

I introduce "Iconic". I think this will finally separate those truly great great great albums that without a question helped change the landscape of hip hop and what has helped it become what it is today.

I'm, only picking on Wayne b/c I was just in that thread, but this thread not about him, but I can agree that his first two Carters, regardless of ranking in your personal list, are 2 hip hop classics, but they are not Iconic albums.

Does this mean some of the beloved heralded classics we've all come to adore are not iconic status and still hang with in the ranks of classic?

Thoughts?

What are two classic albums that you can think of that would be or should be moved to Iconic status?
 
I used to use the term masterpiece to describe a classic album. But they’ll co opt iconic too, just like any nigga is a legend just because he’s one of their favorites.
 
5th Letter said:
I used to use the term masterpiece to describe a classic album. But they’ll co opt iconic too, just like any nigga is a legend just because he’s one of their favorites.
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masterpiece is a good one too

for some reason, i always attribute that to art but to your point, iconic and masterpiece can both be used to describe those clear superb projects
 
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nigga, did you crop the HD version of the Wire for that gif? lol
 
ANYWAY

this makes me wonder. Does Jay truly have any iconic albums?
 
nah man...there are TOO many albums being called classics that dont or didnt have the same impact as the classic albums we know today.

Again, just because its not iconic, doesnt take away from the project, but people are calling everything a classic after a week worth of listens

this goes into the personal classic category imo, b/c you can have 1000 personal classic albums in your collection, but in that collection, you might have 10 iconic albums. This is how it should be.
 
Sion said:
I've been saying for years that the term classic isn't solely defined or determined by purists anymore. There's a whole new generation that's listening to the music and is going to have experiences tied to certain songs and albums. Kids say Drake has classics because perhaps they could really relate to his relationship based content. Future's DS2 is classic because of what it spanned. When I hear young NBA players give their top 5 and it has Wayne and none of the traditional purists top 5 it never bothers me because most of them were born in the mid to late 90s so they're not going to have any Ties to the Pacs, Bigs, or NaS of that time.

Niggas need to just respect the new generation. As for iconic vs classic. The term is the same thing. You can't define classic by solely saying that "every song needs to slap" or "it needs to have impact" because Rakim and BDK have albums that didn't go platinum but are largely held as hiphop classics. Some albums are critically acclaimed and called classics for that. Some albums represented a time in music where they impacted the game heavy (like GRODT or Stankonia). It's all relative. The reason why there's such a disconnect tho is because purists don't like the new generation and the new generation doesn't respect the old one because the old one shits on them saying their soft and music wack.
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Traditional Hip Hop Died in 2006....Since 2007 we are in new generation of Hip Hop which is Control by Social Media ...Nas was right ...

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But if you’re not in the mix, how can you judge if it didn’t have the same impact?
 
I like the album, and it's made by my favorite rapper, then it's a classic. And if you disagree then you're either east coast biased, old stuck in the 90's, or hate my favorite rapper, or you're a combination of all the above. "the logic"
 
5th Letter said:
I like the album, and it's made by my favorite rapper, then it's a classic. And if you disagree then you're either east coast biased, old stuck in the 90's, or hate my favorite rapper, or you're a combination of all the above. "the logic"
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who this in reference to?
 
Sion said:
NaS was a purist and Hip-Hop isn't dead it's very much alive.

I'd rather social media control it now very the radio stations and record labels who ran things in the 90s. At least with social media there's free will and the audience can dictate who they want to see on top. That's why Kendrick/TDE, Drake, Russ, Chance The rapper, J.Cole, Cardi B, Migos, Dave East, Big Sean, etc are able to be where they are today.
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Keep Hope Alive Bruh...But Hip Hop Is Dead
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Sion said:
Some albums you can tell off a week's worth. And since there's so much music to consume these days it's hard to even remember to go back to an album by the year end. Imagine how many albums drop in a week let alone a month or year. It's easier for artists to get music out.

While I agree some albums people say that before they come out (Future said this about I think Honest or Hendrix), there are some that are. Hey you were saying in the Lupe thread that DROGAS WAVE was dayum near a classic and rated it a 4.5/10 in your review and said if it had the sales you would have given it a 5.

Music is highly subjective so you will never truly have a common agreement on something. There's people who think Pac is the GOAT but then others who say he's overrated, there's people who say Biggie can't be GOAT with 2 albums, and people who say Kendrick has 3 classics. It's subjective and imo it's not gonna matter really unless the artist is even still around in 5 years to make you remember why their music is iconic or classic.
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some albums give you a feeling within the first week of release, but i wouldnt label it a classic b/c who knows how you will feel when the next album that comes out gives you a similar feeling.

I gave Drogas Waves that rating b/c it was within context of the scale. It is that good to where if you call yourself a fan of hiphop, its worth checking out, but then again, in the industry/times we are in, you cant wait to drop a review of an album 10 years later once you've clearly made a decision its a classic album

99% of reviews are some sorta knee jerk response to music. The remaining 1% are for the projects that people actually review again years later to see if they had the same feeling as they did when it first came out.

Also remember, im not the sales matter guy. I detest anyone bringing that up to support their position on why they feel an album is better than another one.
 
Sion said:
To each their own

I'd even go as far as saying that if you believe this then you're a "guest" in HipHop because you only stayed for one era and left and won't give any praise to HipHop's future or support it.

Nigga I live and breathe HipHop now and always. I won't ever be able to comfortably say "it's dead" just because artists I like don't make music anymore or because Im stuck in the past.
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Sion said:
And Mims had one song and vanished LOOLOLOLOL he was a guest in Hip-Hop.

Are you gonna let a nigga like that dictate the future of this thing of ours ??? SMMFH.

We have Kendrick, Cole, Drake, Jay Rock, Schoolboy Q, Big Sean, Wale, KRIT, Meek Mill, Rick Ross, H.E.R, SZA, Jay-Z, Travis Scott, Pusha T, Nipsey Hussle, and even older rappers from the Golden Era dropping some of their best material since their primes. Either you a guest in HipHop or you a fan of the music and culture enough to respect both the past and present.
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You are now witnessing the devolution of rap music. The death of poetry and smoothness, they use this. The absence of a message. The inability to create meaningful change through words and verses, but the worse is, they don’t even know they hurt this artful purpose, it’s tragic.

— Eric B and Rakim™ (@EricBandRakim) February 12, 2018



You need to look real close at this previous tweet that’s reached almost 1 million people already and see what you read.

It says “rap” not “hip hop”.

If you don’t know the difference, you can’t make a difference. #KNOWtheLEDGE

— Eric B and Rakim™ (@EricBandRakim) February 14, 2018



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