Has Generation Z Produced Anybody Great At Anything?

Duwop said:
What part of just cuz you don't like it doesn't mean it's not successful you missed?

If it's making money it's successful.

Great is subjective.

"Widely considered" isn't an honest assessment....

Because the hip hop community was not representative of all music at the time. Rap wasn't really taken seriously by the music world simply because those albums weren't making millions of sales.... It wasn't until our generation overall became top consumers that hip hop started transitioning into mainstream.

When rap albums started making noise on billboard is when the impacts started being made. But you still had people holding on to the belief that it wasn't a real genre. And that's when they started sounding dated...

DMX is a prime example.... when he came out and our generation considered him great.... our argument was that he had 2 platinum albums in one year. Jay-Z even boycotted the Grammy's.

That's like if today someone like Kendrick boycotted the Grammy's cuz some cat we never heard of sold crazy albums on billboard... But we don't acknowledge it, cuz to us it sounds crazy...and we're just not in touch with what these kids like...

My overall point is my same point. Just cuz you don't like it, doesn't mean anything. If it's making money there's always going to be an argument that this is what the future is.. This is the direction we're heading. This is what the masses want, and if someone can excel during this period.... This is who they are going to call their greats.

You don't have to like it


But if they have the support of their generation, they going to have an argument.
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Success and greatness are not the same. You need to uncouple the two in your mind in order to understand what I'm saying.

The example I used, the quote from Ahmet Ertugun, is a perfect illustration: Does McDonalds make the greatest hamburger of all time or have they merely been successful at selling a poor to mediocre burger by making it cheap, easily accessible, and pushed it on the masses by marketing?

Now apply this to music, tv, movies, social media videos and the people that created it: Are they actually good or has it been made cheap, easily accessible, and pushed on the masses by algorithms?

Y'all keep talking this "if you don't like it" bullshit... I'm not even talking about whether or not I like it. I never once mentioned myself, you and @SeaSnake made that up to bolster your arguments.
 
BlackRain said:
I think, and this thread and social media in general, shows that people have a hard time realizing they've aged out of the target audience for most popular entertainment. What is considered great is subjective but alot struggle with "well i dont like it so it must not be good". Nah your opinion ain't the end all be all and if millions of people are enjoying it then clearly it's resonating in some way. People do consume and discard things faster now for sure but that don't mean great shit still won't get made.
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Your first sentence in a nutshell

I honestly believe most people over a certain age think that they are still physically and mentally young when they aren’t so they are the first to still think they are the target audience

It’s ok to not like things that are popular but some can’t come to grips that they aren’t first priority anymore
 
konceptjones said:
Success and greatness are not the same. You need to uncouple the two in your mind in order to understand what I'm saying.

The example I used, the quote from Ahmet Ertugun, is a perfect illustration: Does McDonalds make the greatest hamburger of all time or have they merely been successful at selling a poor to mediocre burger by making it cheap, easily accessible, and pushed it on the masses by marketing?

Now apply this to music, tv, movies, social media videos and the people that created it: Are they actually good or has it been made cheap, easily accessible, and pushed on the masses by algorithms?

Y'all keep talking this "if you don't like it" bullshit... I'm not even talking about whether or not I like it. I never once mentioned myself, you and @SeaSnake made that up to bolster your arguments.
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Yea i never argued whether I think they're good or not.

Im not a Kevin Hart fan, but I can acknowledge the fact that he's dominating stand up and movies. Im just asking where I the Generation Z version of it. Who is the gen z version of Drake? Etc

All these niggas keep saying is "... tiktok".
 
BlackRain said:
I think, and this thread and social media in general, shows that people have a hard time realizing they've aged out of the target audience for most popular entertainment. What is considered great is subjective but alot struggle with "well i dont like it so it must not be good". Nah your opinion ain't the end all be all and if millions of people are enjoying it then clearly it's resonating in some way. People do consume and discard things faster now for sure but that don't mean great shit still won't get made.
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Everybody think they're the main character. I was watching a video yesterday that PERFECTLY explained why there are so many female lead media..... And it's not to upset the male populous... But the argument is so difficult to have cuz men naturally hate on shit that's not specifically for them
 
konceptjones said:
Success and greatness are not the same. You need to uncouple the two in your mind in order to understand what I'm saying.

The example I used, the quote from Ahmet Ertugun, is a perfect illustration: Does McDonalds make the greatest hamburger of all time or have they merely been successful at selling a poor to mediocre burger by making it cheap, easily accessible, and pushed it on the masses by marketing?

Now apply this to music, tv, movies, social media videos and the people that created it: Are they actually good or has it been made cheap, easily accessible, and pushed on the masses by algorithms?

Y'all keep talking this "if you don't like it" bullshit... I'm not even talking about whether or not I like it. I never once mentioned myself, you and @SeaSnake made that up to bolster your arguments.
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I'm not equating success with greatness.

I'm saying success is constant. Greatness is subjective. I consistently made the separation in every argument.

My point is, monetary success can 100% back an argument that something I particularly don't care for could be considered great to the audience it's intended for.

Like I'm never going to consider one of those juggalo niggas great regardless how much genocide @:s me to those threads. But I can't force him to let go of his great claims considering they have the fan base and generate the revenue to validate his opinion.

They might be great to them, not to me. But I can't deny they make their money.
 
konceptjones said:
Success and greatness are not the same. You need to uncouple the two in your mind in order to understand what I'm saying.

The example I used, the quote from Ahmet Ertugun, is a perfect illustration: Does McDonalds make the greatest hamburger of all time or have they merely been successful at selling a poor to mediocre burger by making it cheap, easily accessible, and pushed it on the masses by marketing?

Now apply this to music, tv, movies, social media videos and the people that created it: Are they actually good or has it been made cheap, easily accessible, and pushed on the masses by algorithms?

Y'all keep talking this "if you don't like it" bullshit... I'm not even talking about whether or not I like it. I never once mentioned myself, you and @SeaSnake made that up to bolster your arguments.
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It’s because we think you are downplaying the greatness based on personal taste. Can you think something is great if you don’t follow it or listen to it? And good is subjective to you hat you like. If I don’t like somebody music of course I’m not going to think it was great.

If record sales don’t matter than what does? Define greatness. Because it seem like yall opinion is based on not liking what young people do.

It plenty folks who like Run DMC and didn’t like DMX and wouldn’t consider him great. I’m seeing that in here.
 
Duwop said:
Everybody think they're the main character. I was watching a video yesterday that PERFECTLY explained why there are so many female lead media..... And it's not to upset the male populous... But the argument is so difficult to have cuz men naturally hate on shit that's not specifically for them
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lol nighas hate women opinions a lot.
 
konceptjones said:
Success and greatness are not the same. You need to uncouple the two in your mind in order to understand what I'm saying.

The example I used, the quote from Ahmet Ertugun, is a perfect illustration: Does McDonalds make the greatest hamburger of all time or have they merely been successful at selling a poor to mediocre burger by making it cheap, easily accessible, and pushed it on the masses by marketing?

Now apply this to music, tv, movies, social media videos and the people that created it: Are they actually good or has it been made cheap, easily accessible, and pushed on the masses by algorithms?

Y'all keep talking this "if you don't like it" bullshit... I'm not even talking about whether or not I like it. I never once mentioned myself, you and @SeaSnake made that up to bolster your arguments.
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And I directed it towards you because what are the metrics that determine greatnes?

It's largely subjective to the individual. Which is why we have debates and arguments and people have to validate their argument with why THEY consider something great. Like for example, I listed my top 5 as

Big
Jay
X
Beans
Red

And it's highly subjective. Up for debate
And I gave my reasoning. You can argue against it all day but, it changes nothing on my opinion on what I consider great.

Which is why I personalized it to you. I didn't make it up, I'm explaining just cuz YOU don't consider something great...... Doesn't negate that a large audience overwhelmingly supports it based off of buying if at the least the monetary success it has generated.

Which is why I've said many times, I'm glad I'm not a slave to trends.... Cuz it's a lotta popular shit I don't like and I can accept just ain't for me. Even if the rest of the world loves it.

It's okay to be on the wrong side of hill if you're comfortable where you stand.
 
Duwop said:
Everybody think they're the main character. I was watching a video yesterday that PERFECTLY explained why there are so many female lead media..... And it's not to upset the male populous... But the argument is so difficult to have cuz men naturally hate on shit that's not specifically for them
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But that's a garbage argument 'cause when it's well done, the shit is fire and well appreciated by these same men you claim "hate on shit that's not specifically for them".
 
Goldie said:
Yea i never argued whether I think they're good or not.

Im not a Kevin Hart fan, but I can acknowledge the fact that he's dominating stand up and movies. Im just asking where I the Generation Z version of it. Who is the gen z version of Drake? Etc

All these niggas keep saying is "... tiktok".
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Because tiktok is making niggas millionaires and influencing world culture at a higher rate than we've ever seen before. Talent is being poured into immediate exposure, and this is where the bulk of entertainment is going in the future....
 
konceptjones said:
But that's a garbage argument 'cause when it's well done, the shit is fire and well appreciated by these same men you claim "hate on shit that's not specifically for them".
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Bro niggaz is crashing out over iron heart at this exact moment
 
SeaSnake said:
It’s because we think you are downplaying the greatness based on personal taste. Can you think something is great if you don’t follow it or listen to it? And good is subjective to you hat you like. If I don’t like somebody music of course I’m not going to think it was great.

If record sales don’t matter than what does? Define greatness. Because it seem like yall opinion is based on not liking what young people do.

It plenty folks who like Run DMC and didn’t like DMX and wouldn’t consider him great. I’m seeing that in here.
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I'm not the person that said Paid In Full and Illmatic are two of the greatest hip hop albums of all time; it's a general consensus. There's write-ups about it all over the place. My personal opinion places Paid In Full over Illmatic, others will have a different opinion but one thing is for certain: Both albums were complete game changers.

I was never a fan of DMX, but his greatness is not lost on me. Likewise, I've never been a big fan of Michael Jackson (I preferred Prince's music). I fucked with a few songs here and there, but dude is unquestionably one of, if not the greatest of all time.
 
Duwop said:
Because tiktok is making niggas millionaires and influencing world culture at a higher rate than we've ever seen before. Talent is being poured into immediate exposure, and this is where the bulk of entertainment is going in the future....
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Bet. This should be easy then. Who are the gen z versions of:

Drake
Kevin hart
Mike tyson
Will smith
 
Duwop said:
Bro niggaz is crashing out over iron heart at this exact moment
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Take Alita: Battle Angel, which I still haven't seen despite being a huge fan of the Battle Angel OVA, which has a female lead has a 91% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes. To make it applicable to the MCU: Black Widow also has a 91% approval rating and Ms Marvel has an 80% approval rating (which I would agree with, it's a really good show). Contrast those with Captain Marvel's 45% rating and Ghost In The Shell's 51% or even Ironheart's current 54% and MAYBE, @Duwop, just MAYBE you'll see that it's not the fact that it's a female lead but the fact that it's a shitty movie/show.
 
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