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FoC: Classism in the black community.

Maybe im trippin but I think classism within poor communities is even worse than the extremes...

Ive seen poor folks hate and judge folks that have MARGINALLY less/more than them and vice versa.. shit's crazy

I've definitely seen the same, no question about it.

But I would propose that upper classism is easily worst because they have all the systemic power. The only people that are affected at that level of classism are usually those the immediate vicinity, whereas at the higher levels its state and federal changes that affect everyone.

A good example of this is people's disdain and preoccupation with "welfare queens" when our gov's subsidies of non competitive corporations dwarfs anything the welfare folks could ever conjure.

Another way of saying it is at a lower level people are naturally predisposed for not seeing the forest for the trees
 
I've definitely seen the same, no question about it.

But I would propose that upper classism is easily worst because they have all the systemic power. The only people that are affected at that level of classism are usually those the immediate vicinity, whereas at the higher levels its state and federal changes that affect everyone.

A good example of this is people's disdain and preoccupation with "welfare queens" when our gov's subsidies of non competitive corporations dwarfs anything the welfare folks could ever conjure.

While I agree with you no doubt... that infighting we have amongst our community is one of the many reasons we cant come together and get these muhfuckas outa here.. we too busy fighting ourselves
 
thats just people with personal issues

im guilty....Im not mad at any welfare recipient but I just passed by some "bums" on the corner on my lunch break and got mad

"man get yo bitch ass off the curb I wish I could sit my ass outside in the shade and collect handouts while I smoke my cigs and talk on my cell phone....that aint how shit works"

now I know them people coulda really been having a hard time, but thats how I felt at the time cuz im out here working hard

so I could see why somebody thats busting ass and still struggling would have something slick to say about those seemingly receiving rewards for not doing anything with themselves....its got a sour smell to it
 
While I agree with you no doubt... that infighting we have amongst our community is one of the many reasons we cant come together and get these muhfuckas outa here.. we too busy fighting ourselves

I disagree. I think you're overstating infighting as a factor when really a lot of it is systemic And I'll give an example why.

A few months ago trump's congress repealed an ordinance that required banks to disclose the racial identities of the people they gave house and car loans to, because in the recent past there were such huge discrepancies on who they would loan to and for how much, no matter how similar the qualifications.

When you take into account the fact that the vast majority of wealth in this country that normal people can obtain is in home equity is easy to see why this one change has a HUGE systemic impact on the economic mobility of African americans.

That has waaaaay more to do with why we are where we are than infighting.
 
Nah, not at all. Give you an example:

I want one of these in a bad way:

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I already know if I were to back out of the driveway and roll out in something like that niggas gonna immediately think I'm flossin, just trying to be seen but that ain't the case. I worked hard, I bought myself a nice "toy", I wanna drive my shit and be happy. Same goes with clothes and shit, I'd like to be able to have nice things but not really stand out, if you get what I'm saying. I ain't trying to floss, just trying to enjoy the fruits of my labor.
yea we have issues in our community like what you stated...

how many times are people accused of stuntin when they just have what they have?

i buy shit that most people dont even know what it is to think i got something nice. i like shit niggas dont know about.
i dont dress the part or look the part...and i like it that way. certain shit just dont make sense to me but other shit does.

i enjoy my hard work in ways that seems strange...but im staying true to who i am and always will be.

so play on player
 
I disagree. I think you're overstating infighting as a factor when really a lot of it is systemic And I'll give an example why.

A few months ago trump's congress repealed an ordinance that required banks to disclose the racial identities of the people they gave house and car loans to, because in the recent past there were such huge discrepancies on who they would loan to and for how much, no matter how similar the qualifications.

When you take into account the fact that the vast majority of wealth in this country that normal people can obtain is in home equity is easy to see why this one change has a HUGE systemic impact on the economic mobility of African americans.

That has waaaaay more to do with why we are where we are than infighting.

oh without a doubt that systemic shit is real as fuck and predominantly harmful to our community..In my mind that's a given within any argument when it comes to race relations in the US.. I'm with you 1000%.. I just wanted to point out that we got internal issues we gotta deal with as well
 
oh without a doubt that systemic shit is real as fuck and predominantly harmful to our community..In my mind that's a given within any argument when it comes to race relations in the US.. I'm with you 1000%.. I just wanted to point out that we got internal issues we gotta deal with as well

Absolutely brotha. I said what I said because it's a very common white supremacist tactic to blame us completely for our own problems. While personal and community responsibility absolutely play their part in our issues we cant lose sight of the higher ones.

For example like the whole "black people are our own worst enemy because we kill mostly black people" when really the issue is exactly the same across all races because we're. ALL more likely to harm those in our immediate vicinity.

Would I like less black people to kill eachother? Absolutely and I'm vocal on that sentiment. using an imaginary discrepancy as a manipulation tactic to wholly blame us for our issues is a problem, thats what I'm trying to convey.
 
again right....that makes sense....you're older, dont have much to prove, you know what you like and want and know u gotta work for it


NOT AT ALL the mindframe of the youth.....im talking about the ones in the hood right now

I know some lil dudes that would rather DIE then be reduced to a day to day job, paying a mortgage, and having to "save up" for the things they want....that aint real, that aint life, that aint harlem b

how can you stop everybody from wanting the be THE MAN right now......shit every song is screaming im a boss, boss up, do boss shit, gotta be a boss

I never sat up and daydreamed about a house in the country and a couple domestic vehicles.....I wanted a condo over downtown I could have multiple women in and pop bottles nekkid

I guess my whole thing is making the kids see that the "normal" and "lame" life is exactly the opposite of that......if we cant make working and building families and buying homes more appealing then whats in their face all the time, it'll never get across....I know because i didnt wanna hear that shit

not comparing for measuring purposes, but I had white friends in school that had all this shit laid out from how they were raised....they knew what college courses they wanted to take, to get this specific job, then im gonna move to so and so, my parents say i should marry around 34, we'll buy a home, yadda yadda.....they had real life goals is what im saying....shit their parents put into them and had been molding them for, and they were excited and confident about going for it

I didnt know any black kids with that structure....we all knew we wanted to be fly and we gone live here and live there, but didnt have the slightest clue about HOW we would obtain that....it damn sure wasnt the corporate ladder...or even just paying our bills on time and building credit, to be able to get loans.....no idea smh

You need to be Big Brother man
 
again right....that makes sense....you're older, dont have much to prove, you know what you like and want and know u gotta work for it


NOT AT ALL the mindframe of the youth.....im talking about the ones in the hood right now

I know some lil dudes that would rather DIE then be reduced to a day to day job, paying a mortgage, and having to "save up" for the things they want....that aint real, that aint life, that aint harlem b

how can you stop everybody from wanting the be THE MAN right now......shit every song is screaming im a boss, boss up, do boss shit, gotta be a boss

I never sat up and daydreamed about a house in the country and a couple domestic vehicles.....I wanted a condo over downtown I could have multiple women in and pop bottles nekkid

I guess my whole thing is making the kids see that the "normal" and "lame" life is exactly the opposite of that......if we cant make working and building families and buying homes more appealing then whats in their face all the time, it'll never get across....I know because i didnt wanna hear that shit

not comparing for measuring purposes, but I had white friends in school that had all this shit laid out from how they were raised....they knew what college courses they wanted to take, to get this specific job, then im gonna move to so and so, my parents say i should marry around 34, we'll buy a home, yadda yadda.....they had real life goals is what im saying....shit their parents put into them and had been molding them for, and they were excited and confident about going for it

I didnt know any black kids with that structure....we all knew we wanted to be fly and we gone live here and live there, but didnt have the slightest clue about HOW we would obtain that....it damn sure wasnt the corporate ladder...or even just paying our bills on time and building credit, to be able to get loans.....no idea smh

See, here's where other issues in our communities tie in:

One of the biggest reasons we are like this from an early age is because we see different people with the shit we want in life. In white neighborhoods, the guy with the nice house, car, and clothes is likely a local businessman, well paid professional, or something to that effect. When you grow up in an area like that, the cats you see went to school, worked hard, an got to their station in life where those kinds of things are attainable. Your own parent may be like that so they impart the knowledge necessary to follow that path to eventual success so you can have those things too.

In our communities, more times than not, the guy with those things is a criminal. If you're a teenager, he's probably not much older than you and he has those things. When I was coming up, he was likely a drug dealer. This skews your outlook on life to where you see him and what he's doing as the way to get those things quickly. Your parents can both be working jobs making what we call "good money", but their money don't equate to a German ride, linen threads, a fat watch, and hoes on your arm; the criminal's way of life does. You probably look at it like "shit, if I do it my parents way I'll be 40 year old living check to check with an 20 year old Accord and a minivan in the driveway driving for Uber on the weekends to make spare cash, but if I do it like Maserati Rick over there I can have it all by the time I'm 20."

Which way looks more attractive to a kid? Have it all in a few years or possibly not at all?

The same can be said for rappers that come out of our communities. The vast majority of them never attain the level of success they rap about. Most of them don't own those cars unless the label is paying on the lease (which you have to recoup), the clothes and jewels are rented for the photo shoots and videos, and the hoes are rented too. The image they present is just as damaging as the image the local trap star does: They feign the appearance of fast wealth, and the kids latch on to it and they have that decision to make: Try to make it as a rapper and get all the flossy shit like in the videos, or work hard and possibly never be able to afford it.


(edit) forgot to add this: Even in predominately Black areas that are upper middle class to wealthy, the Black families still have to compete with the image of greater wealth as portrayed by drug dealers and rappers. Unless you grew up in a genuinely rich household, where dopeman money looks trivial, you're still going to have that way of life influence you in some manner.
 
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You need to be Big Brother man

still not making any commitments but I've been told this several times, so I WILL look into it.....I got some guys I went to school with that are into community stuff for the kids....always having something at a rec center or something....I'll see whats up

See, here's where other issues in our communities tie in:

One of the biggest reasons we are like this from an early age is because we see different people with the shit we want in life. In white neighborhoods, the guy with the nice house, car, and clothes is likely a local businessman, well paid professional, or something to that effect. When you grow up in an area like that, the cats you see went to school, worked hard, an got to their station in life where those kinds of things are attainable. Your own parent may be like that so they impart the knowledge necessary to follow that path to eventual success so you can have those things too.

In our communities, more times than not, the guy with those things is a criminal. If you're a teenager, he's probably not much older than you and he has those things. When I was coming up, he was likely a drug dealer. This skews your outlook on life to where you see him and what he's doing as the way to get those things quickly. Your parents can both be working jobs making what we call "good money", but their money don't equate to a German ride, linen threads, a fat watch, and hoes on your arm; the criminal's way of life does. You probably look at it like "shit, if I do it my parents way I'll be 40 year old living check to check with an 20 year old Accord and a minivan in the driveway driving for Uber on the weekends to make spare cash, but if I do it like Maserati Rick over there I can have it all by the time I'm 20."

Which way looks more attractive to a kid? Have it all in a few years or possibly not at all?

The same can be said for rappers that come out of our communities. The vast majority of them never attain the level of success they rap about. Most of them don't own those cars unless the label is paying on the lease (which you have to recoup), the clothes and jewels are rented for the photo shoots and videos, and the hoes are rented too. The image they present is just as damaging as the image the local trap star does: They feign the appearance of fast wealth, and the kids latch on to it and they have that decision to make: Try to make it as a rapper and get all the flossy shit like in the videos, or work hard and possibly never be able to afford it.


(edit) forgot to add this: Even in predominately Black areas that are upper middle class to wealthy, the Black families still have to compete with the image of greater wealth as portrayed by drug dealers and rappers. Unless you grew up in a genuinely rich household, where dopeman money looks trivial, you're still going to have that way of life influence you in some manner.

my point exactly.....we cant be changed overnight....whats in us, is in us

best thing we can do is keep it from polluting the kids minds and be the most influential thing/person in their lives......kids who have real dads to look up to dont wanna be dope boys....they wanna be dad....you got your rare cases but u get what im saying

everything I do for my daughters I think of it as raising the bar that much higher every time....this lil bullshit the kids in the city are doing wont impress them at all
 
Nah, not at all. Give you an example:

I want one of these in a bad way:

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I already know if I were to back out of the driveway and roll out in something like that niggas gonna immediately think I'm flossin, just trying to be seen but that ain't the case. I worked hard, I bought myself a nice "toy", I wanna drive my shit and be happy. Same goes with clothes and shit, I'd like to be able to have nice things but not really stand out, if you get what I'm saying. I ain't trying to floss, just trying to enjoy the fruits of my labor.
Yeah I follow your vibe, just so hard to find the balance of humble and earned enjoyment
 
Yeah I follow your vibe, just so hard to find the balance of humble and earned enjoyment

Right, and I don't really hear about this in "other" communities, where you work hard, save up, and get your toys and folks view it as "flossin". It seems like we're the only group of people doing that.

This chick I worked with when I first started out in IT was a consultant in my department. She was from Malta and her husband was a bruh from a decent part of Detroit. Her and her husband had a love of Porsche 911's and I would kick it with her about it 'cause back then I had my eye on coppin a Porsche 944 ('cause I was single and I could get a mid 80's joint for about $7000 back then). They ran across a red '89 Carrera 4 and she talked about it that whole week and the next Monday she asked if I'd go to lunch with her; they copped the Porsche over the weekend. Chick let me drive it and everything. They had a love for something, saved, copped, and she shared it with me 'cause she knew I had a common interest. Wasn't on no flossin shit, it was all about "yo, I know you get into these like we do so peep it bruh".

The flip of that was this cat that worked as a CSR at the same company. Bruh went out and copped a brand new 300M, got it shiny and shit, and was flossin that shit HOARD. Always braggin about it, always talmbout the hoes was on his nuts 'cause of it. Gave me the keys a few times on some "Threw the keys to Lil Cease..." shits. There was always an arrogance about him whenever he talked about that car. And dude was the flossy type. Stayed with the fresh clothes, always had the latest kicks, and made sure you knew he had "that new shit niggas don't even know about yet".
 
Right, and I don't really hear about this in "other" communities, where you work hard, save up, and get your toys and folks view it as "flossin". It seems like we're the only group of people doing that.

This chick I worked with when I first started out in IT was a consultant in my department. She was from Malta and her husband was a bruh from a decent part of Detroit. Her and her husband had a love of Porsche 911's and I would kick it with her about it 'cause back then I had my eye on coppin a Porsche 944 ('cause I was single and I could get a mid 80's joint for about $7000 back then). They ran across a red '89 Carrera 4 and she talked about it that whole week and the next Monday she asked if I'd go to lunch with her; they copped the Porsche over the weekend. Chick let me drive it and everything. They had a love for something, saved, copped, and she shared it with me 'cause she knew I had a common interest. Wasn't on no flossin shit, it was all about "yo, I know you get into these like we do so peep it bruh".

The flip of that was this cat that worked as a CSR at the same company. Bruh went out and copped a brand new 300M, got it shiny and shit, and was flossin that shit HOARD. Always braggin about it, always talmbout the hoes was on his nuts 'cause of it. Gave me the keys a few times on some "Threw the keys to Lil Cease..." shits. There was always an arrogance about him whenever he talked about that car. And dude was the flossy type. Stayed with the fresh clothes, always had the latest kicks, and made sure you knew he had "that new shit niggas don't even know about yet".
That's how niggas get robbed smh
 
so you saying you dim your light for people who dont have shit to be bright about?

I didn't take that statement to mean that.

I bought some expensive things at a young age(jewelry, clothes and a car). Stood out in the crowd and realized I love the things I bought but I hated most of the attention it brought. Even though I bought it to be flashy being young I didn't know that I wouldn't like the attention it brought.

Sometimes a person can love nice things but not want the attention those nice things bring from people. If more people just brushed that shit off that a person has nice things most people would be a lot happier with the nice things they have or want to buy but won't cause of what comes with it.
 
Right, and I don't really hear about this in "other" communities, where you work hard, save up, and get your toys and folks view it as "flossin". It seems like we're the only group of people doing that.

People of all income levels and all races stay "flossin" and they view it as just that.

The difference is in most other communities instead of said person getting hated on for their new flossin toy the other people are trying to one up them and make them realize they have to go get something new cause what they just got ain't gonna cut it.

They floss for the love of what they bought, fun and competition. Most black people floss to shit on people and make their fellow black people feel less than and that is what really creates problems.
 
I didn't take that statement to mean that.

I bought some expensive things at a young age(jewelry, clothes and a car). Stood out in the crowd and realized I love the things I bought but I hated most of the attention it brought. Even though I bought it to be flashy being young I didn't know that I wouldn't like the attention it brought.

Sometimes a person can love nice things but not want the attention those nice things bring from people. If more people just brushed that shit off that a person has nice things most people would be a lot happier with the nice things they have or want to buy but won't cause of what comes with it.
yea...we gonna have to fight nigga....

we cant even agree on small shit....its nothing else to do
 
Ghetto dwellers can be some of the most annoying people in the world to live around. I'm classist as fuck.
 
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