Poll Fair or Foul: Anthony Edwards Doesn't Want Anything To Do With His Daughter

Fair or Foul?

  • Fair: He told her beforehand he didn't want a child

  • Foul: It's still your daughter

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BlackRain said:
When part of his image is being a good father, and it is if you saw the Starting 5 special on Netflix or how often he talks about his daughter he claims, then being a dead beat to the others definitely is part of that. Can't have one without the other. He's using his child to see himself to the public. His ability to be a good father now is part of that by his own doing. Never has a man abandoning his children been seen as a good thing. So that's always going to come with a negative stigma. Same as a woman who gets an abortion will always carry a negative stigma to many.

As for the logical conclusion...nah. sex positivity is simply about not shaming people on some "Men can do this women can't" when it comes to sexual desires and actually having sex. None of that leads to a conclusion of abandoning children being seen as ok. Thinking people shouldn't be shamed for the amount of partners they have or who they choose to have sex with has nothing to do with abandoning your children. Ain't nobody shaming them for having sex. Ant is being shamed for being a deadbeat father and lacking discipline. Which are two things that always bring shame. Which is also part of the reason people will continue to also shame women who get abortions
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Nothing about how he presents himself matters, I am speaking to his ability to be able to choose not to be a father to a child he very explicitly stated he didn't want but that was brought in to this world all the same. I think he's an ass if I were to hold him to my own standard, but in a world where parenthood is a choice for one sex, it seems only fair that it should be a choice for the other. And, to those who think it shouldn't be stigmatized one way, that same energy should be kept the other way.

The point of the logical conclusion bit is not to be a referendum on the merits of what it was supposed to be, but on where it would ultimately lead. It is not about what should be seen as ok, but on what the consequences were clearly going to be. The road to hell is paved etc., etc.
 
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Swabbie said:
Nothing about how he presents himself matters, I am speaking to his ability to be able to choose not to be a father to a child he very explicitly stated he didn't want but that was brought in to this world all the same. I think he's an ass if I were to hold him to my own standard, but in a world where parenthood is a choice for one sex, it seems only fair that it should be a choice for the other. And, to those who think it shouldn't be stigmatized one way, that same energy should be kept the other way.

The point of the logical conclusion bit is not to be a referendum on the merits of what it was supposed to be, but on where it would ultimately lead. It is not about what should be seen as ok, but on what the consequences were clearly going to be. The road to hell is paved etc., etc.
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I get what you're trying to say about the logical conclusion. It's just not logical at all to say that sex positivity leads to children being abandoned. Those are two different things completely.

As for his ability to choose whether or not to be there i already laid out multiple ways men can and do choose to opt out of fatherhood. But because we know that being a deadbeat parent is a bad thing there will never be a circumstance in which being a willing deadbeat will be seen as a good thing. No matter how you spin it abandoning your child will never be given a pass like you want it to
 
BlackRain said:
At this point in history if you don't know the game to stay away from these type of women that's on the man. Plenty examples in the past and real time to avoid this shit. He ain't naive. He's willingly ignorant
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I agree and disagree

I'll drop it though because I don't care enough to argue this long and I think he's an idiot so I'm not defending him for this lol
 
BlackRain said:
I get what you're trying to say about the logical conclusion. It's just not logical at all to say that sex positivity leads to children being abandoned. Those are two different things completely.

As for his ability to choose whether or not to be there i already laid out multiple ways men can and do choose to opt out of fatherhood. But because we know that being a deadbeat parent is a bad thing there will never be a circumstance in which being a willing deadbeat will be seen as a good thing. No matter how you spin it abandoning your child will never be given a pass like you want it to
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The changing of cultural norms surrounding sex (for both sexes, sex positivity is not just about telling women to get freaky), in particular those that once cautioned against a casual approach to it while making no moral distinctions on it leads to careless sex which leads to what exactly? What you think it should've been and what it's unintended consequences are is what stands in opposition here, not anything that I am saying.

He opted out well before the child was born and it seems he gave this woman ample time to make an informed decision. She chose to have the child. His personal sovereignty should be respected just the same, all things equal. Saying that he should stop having sex is rather unfair through the modern lens. Certainly we aren't going to suggest that people should only have sex if they are willing to accept that they could become a parent as a result? It's not about trying to spin anything, it's applying the doctrine equally between the sexes.

The question is whether it's fair. Regardless of how we may personally feel, in today's world why wouldn't it be fair? It seems like he made it clear where he stood on this matter well before it was too late for her to make a decision. Both had a choice, he made his and she made hers. He seems to be willing to pay child support but wants no part otherwise.
 
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Swabbie said:
The changing of cultural norms surrounding sex (for both sexes, sex positivity is not just about telling women to get freaky), in particular those that once cautioned against a casual approach to it while making no moral distinctions on it leads to careless sex which leads to what exactly? What you think it should've been and what it's unintended consequences are is what stands in opposition here, not anything that I am saying.

He opted out well before the child was born and it seems he gave this woman ample time to make an informed decision. She chose to have the child. His personal sovereignty should be respected just the same, all things equal. Saying that he should stop having sex is rather unfair through the modern lens. Certainly we aren't going to suggest that people should only have sex if they are willing to accept that they could become a parent as a result?

The question is whether it's fair. Regardless of how we may personally feel, in today's world why wouldn't it be fair? It seems like he made it clear where he stood on this matter well before it was too late for her to make a decision. Both had a choice, he made his and she made hers. He seems to be willing to pay child support but wants no part otherwise.
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Careless sex leading to pregnancy doesn't automatically equate to abandoning your kids. Yes sex can lead to pregnancy as an unintended consequence. That in no way however guarantees the resulting child will then be abandoned. That's just not a logical conclusion to draw. You're injecting that on your own.

Nobody said he should stop having sex. People said he should take matters into his own hands to make sure he's not making children he doesn't want and there's plenty ways to safely do that. If anything it's advice that would save him time, stress and money.

These are 2 people who didn't exercise good decion making. Trying to give him a pass for being a deadbeat just because women can get abortions is just silly as hell. If he don't want kids then strap up or get a vasectomy. Otherwise he's gonna keep finding himself having to pay for kids he doesn't want
 
Swabbie said:
Nothing about how he presents himself matters, I am speaking to his ability to be able to choose not to be a father to a child he very explicitly stated he didn't want but that was brought in to this world all the same. I think he's an ass if I were to hold him to my own standard, but in a world where parenthood is a choice for one sex, it seems only fair that it should be a choice for the other. And, to those who think it shouldn't be stigmatized one way, that same energy should be kept the other way.

The point of the logical conclusion bit is not to be a referendum on the merits of what it was supposed to be, but on where it would ultimately lead. It is not about what should be seen as ok, but on what the consequences were clearly going to be. The road to hell is paved etc., etc.
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It is a choice for both just a different inflection point. A woman can't cum in herself and birth a child. He made a choice whether he wants to be accountable or not.
 
BlackRain said:
Careless sex leading to pregnancy doesn't automatically equate to abandoning your kids. Yes sex can lead to pregnancy as an unintended consequence. That in no way however guarantees the resulting child will then be abandoned. That's just not a logical conclusion to draw. You're injecting that on your own.

Nobody said he should stop having sex. People said he should take matters into his own hands to make sure he's not making children he doesn't want and there's plenty ways to safely do that. If anything it's advice that would save him time, stress and money.

These are 2 people who didn't exercise good decion making. Trying to give him a pass for being a deadbeat just because women can get abortions is just silly as hell. If he don't want kids then strap up or get a vasectomy. Otherwise he's gonna keep finding himself having to pay for kids he doesn't want
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Everyone who has sex is not having sex to have a child. I am injecting nothing.

He is, by telling them he doesn't want to have children. Nothing is foolproof, mind you. It would save him time and money, but that's not what is being debated.

It seems he's fine with paying for the child but doesn't want to be an active part of it's life. You cannot make any moral distinctions on the way this man has sex so long as it is consensual. You can say that it's "silly" but it doesn't change the fact that she knew the deal and chose to have the child anyway. That was a decision she made. He gave her a heads up. Is it unsavory? Yes. Is it fair? Unfortunately, unless we have decided to rethink our approach (which I think we should).

Freeman said:
It is a choice for both just a different inflection point. A woman can't cum in herself and birth a child. He made a choice whether he wants to be accountable or not.
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If the child is not a forgone conclusion at conception, the choice to opt out remains. You can't say only women can have sex without having to worry about having children, that's unfair (in keeping with the standards of today). He's paying child support so far as I can tell so it seems he is accepting some accountability.
 
Swabbie said:
Idk if you are being fr or not but I hope I was able to give a good enough devil's advocate so far.

I'm tapping out though, I don't want to take this side anymore.
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I'm being serious

This is actually a good discussion
 
Swabbie said:
Everyone who has sex is not having sex to have a child. I am injecting nothing.

He is, by telling them he doesn't want to have children. Nothing is foolproof, mind you. It would save him time and money, but that's not what is being debated.

It seems he's fine with paying for the child but doesn't want to be an active part of it's life. You cannot make any moral distinctions on the way this man has sex so long as it is consensual. You can say that it's "silly" but it doesn't change the fact that she knew the deal and chose to have the child anyway. That was a decision she made. He gave her a heads up. Is it unsavory? Yes. Is it fair? Unfortunately, unless we have decided to rethink our approach (which I think we should).



If the child is not a forgone conclusion at conception, the choice to opt out remains. You can't say only women can have sex without having to worry about having children, that's unfair (in keeping with the standards of today). He's paying child support so far as I can tell so it seems he is accepting some accountability.
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Again she can't cum in herself and give birth. When you choose to cum inside someone a child is a forgone conclusion thats how conception generally works.
He had a choice he simply doesn't want to deal with all the things that typically come with that choice.

He's foul and she's goofy as fuck.
 
Swabbie said:
Everyone who has sex is not having sex to have a child. I am injecting nothing.

He is, by telling them he doesn't want to have children. Nothing is foolproof, mind you. It would save him time and money, but that's not what is being debated.

It seems he's fine with paying for the child but doesn't want to be an active part of it's life. You cannot make any moral distinctions on the way this man has sex so long as it is consensual. You can say that it's "silly" but it doesn't change the fact that she knew the deal and chose to have the child anyway. That was a decision she made. He gave her a heads up. Is it unsavory? Yes. Is it fair? Unfortunately, unless we have decided to rethink our approach (which I think we should).



If the child is not a forgone conclusion at conception, the choice to opt out remains. You can't say only women can have sex without having to worry about having children, that's unfair (in keeping with the standards of today). He's paying child support so far as I can tell so it seems he is accepting some accountability.
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The devil doesn't need an advocate. Thats why that shit is usually used to defend something that doesn't make sense. And maybe the problem is people around him haven't been telling him to practice better morality. Everyone has a level of morality they operate by. Even Ant does because he clearly recognizes that raising your child matters or else he would've abandoned all of them instead of just some of them. The person you're defending doesn't even stand consistently on their own shit and how they move. And you're defending their lack of consistency in how they're going about this.
 
My thing he ain’t slow. He knew what type of time she was on. This kid was made for a check. She knew he was on bullshit and he knew she was on bullshit
 
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