OUT NOW Drake - ICEMAN

Added to Calendar: 05-15-26

BlackRain said:
To be fair...it's his 1st solo album since so him talking about the last 2 years isn't odd. It ain't like the beef was a small blip. Ignoring it like it didn't happen would be weird. Hell Jay Z spent half of BP2 dissing Nas after he got spanked.
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Sure, and I had the same opinion about Jay back then. Those disses also didn't change anyone's opinion about the outcome of the battle.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Sure, and I had the same opinion about Jay back then. Those disses also didn't change anyone's opinion about the outcome of the battle.
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I don't take him talking about as trying to change people's minds. At this point people already decided who they believe won. But if he made the album and didn't mention it at all then that wouldn't have been realistic. It was a huge thing that happened. No way it doesn't make it's way into some songs if he's talking about his life in the last 2 years.
 
BlackRain said:
I don't take him talking about as trying to change people's minds. At this point people already decided who they believe won. But if he made the album and didn't mention it at all then that wouldn't have been realistic. It was a huge thing that happened. No way it doesn't make it's way into some songs if he's talking about his life in the last 2 years.
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I haven't listened to the album, but people are saying he dissed a bunch of people. Why are you talking he just provided reasonable backstory for past events? Which take is the actual truth?
 
The Lonious Monk said:
I haven't listened to the album, but people are saying he dissed a bunch of people. Why are you talking he just provided reasonable backstory for past events? Which take is the actual truth?
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The bold would probably help. Kendrick and a bunch of other people spent the last 2 years on a victory lap dissing him and calling him a pedophile in front the world. All I'm saying is the fact that he's responding back on his 1st album since then was pretty much expected. If he keeps going then ok...but him responding back isn't restarting it. Hell Ross dissed the nigga again last week before the album even dropped
 
The Lonious Monk said:
I haven't listened to the album, but people are saying he dissed a bunch of people. Why are you talking he just provided reasonable backstory for past events? Which take is the actual truth?
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If you haven't listened why are you here engaging in discourse about the albums content?
 
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BlackRain said:
To be fair...it's his 1st solo album since so him talking about the last 2 years isn't odd. It ain't like the beef was a small blip. Ignoring it like it didn't happen would be weird. Hell Jay Z spent half of BP2 dissing Nas after he got spanked.
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Revisionist history. Hov has a few track referencing him. Nas talked just as much on God's Son
 
BlackRain said:
The bold would probably help. Kendrick and a bunch of other people spent the last 2 years on a victory lap dissing him and calling him a pedophile in front the world. All I'm saying is the fact that he's responding back on his 1st album since then was pretty much expected. If he keeps going then ok...but him responding back isn't restarting it. Hell Ross dissed the nigga again last week before the album even dropped
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If he's dissing someone that just dissed him again, fine. If he's doing his version of "Last Real Nigga Alive" and recounting how things went down, fine. Him dissing people at this point comes off as desperate IMO. It's irrelevant that this is his first album. Disses don't need to come on albums. If he wanted to go back at those dudes when the battle was on, he could have, but he didn't. He tapped out. Now more than a year later, he's dissing people who've moved on and don't care anymore. Ya'll can think that's admirable, and that's cool. We can agree to disagree.

Freeman said:
If you haven't listened why are you here engaging in discourse about the albums content?
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I'm not. @Dwayne made a comment suggesting fans of Hip Hop beef or rappers going at each other should celebrate Drake for going at a bunch of people on the album. I disagreed with that sentiment. I don't think Drake dissing people at this juncture is respectable. The actual content doesn't really matter unless Drake didn't actually go at anyone. If that's the case, your beef should be with Dwayne for misrepresenting what Drake did not with me for disagreeing with his stance.
 
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I actually have a question for Drake fans. Putting the music aside, when it comes to all the miscellaneous discussions around “contracts,” “lawsuits,” “political/social dynamics,” “botting,” and “industry ties and implications,” does anyone ever stop and question their perspective after noticing that nearly every major figure on that side tends to be some of the lowest-character people in this space?

The Aks, the Mals, the Adins, the Happy Dad/Stake/M@GA crowd, the Andrew Schultzs, that shiny-faced TikTok chick with the annoying vocal cadence, the What’s the Dirt types, etc. Even Drake himself has been shown multiple times in the past to have lied by omission, if not outright.

And no, not everyone on the opposite side is some moral pillar either. But if you were to name the 10 worst people in this space, it feels like 8 out of those 10 would be over there. Has that never made anyone stop and think, “Hmm… maybe this narrative is being manipulated and I’m being gaslit?”

The willful acceptance of the presented narrative feels very M@GA-coded.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
If he's dissing someone that just dissed him again, fine. If he's doing his version of "Last Real Nigga Alive" and recounting how things went down, fine. Him dissing people at this point comes off as desperate IMO. It's irrelevant that this is his first album. Disses don't need to come on albums. If he wanted to go back at those dudes when the battle was on, he could have, but he didn't. He tapped out. Now more than a year later, he's dissing people who've moved on and don't care anymore. Ya'll can think that's admirable, and that's cool. We can agree to disagree.



I'm not. @Dwayne made a comment suggesting fans of Hip Hop beef or rappers going at each other should celebrate Drake for going at a bunch of people on the album. I disagreed with that sentiment. I don't think Drake dissing people at this juncture is respectable. The actual content doesn't really matter unless Drake didn't actually go at anyone. If that's the case, your beef should be with Dwayne for misrepresenting what Drake did not with me for disagreeing with his stance.
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Lol I said nothing about it being admirable. Don't add shit i didn't say. I said it's not surprising he addressed it on his 1st project post the battle.
 
unSCENE said:
I actually have a question for Drake fans. Putting the music aside, when it comes to all the miscellaneous discussions around “contracts,” “lawsuits,” “political/social dynamics,” “botting,” and “industry ties and implications,” does anyone ever stop and question their perspective after noticing that nearly every major figure on that side tends to be some of the lowest-character people in this space?

The Aks, the Mals, the Adins, the Happy Dad/Stake/M@GA crowd, the Andrew Schultzs, that shiny-faced TikTok chick with the annoying vocal cadence, the What’s the Dirt types, etc. Even Drake himself has been shown multiple times in the past to have lied by omission, if not outright.

And no, not everyone on the opposite side is some moral pillar either. But if you were to name the 10 worst people in this space, it feels like 8 out of those 10 would be over there. Has that never made anyone stop and think, “Hmm… maybe this narrative is being manipulated and I’m being gaslit?”

The willful acceptance of the presented narrative feels very M@GA-coded.
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You could say that for a number of people who also get those same supporting their projects too. That's partially why I dislike that the streamer space has become so influential in hip hop. Because it platforms the worst, and often unqualified, people with the worst opinions whether you like the artist or not.
 
BlackRain said:
Lol I said nothing about it being admirable. Don't add shit i didn't say. I said it's not surprising he addressed it on his 1st project post the battle.
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Bro, you're jumping in the middle of a discussion. My post was in direct response to someone claiming that people should "love" Drake for dissing people on this album. So, sure, you didn't say it was admirable, but in that same vein, no one said him addressing the battle was surprising. I disagreed with the idea that we should be giving props to Drake for this. If you not speaking on that, there really wasn't a need for you to chime in or at least no reason for you to quote me when you weren't really addressing what I said.
 
unSCENE said:
I actually have a question for Drake fans. Putting the music aside, when it comes to all the miscellaneous discussions around “contracts,” “lawsuits,” “political/social dynamics,” “botting,” and “industry ties and implications,” does anyone ever stop and question their perspective after noticing that nearly every major figure on that side tends to be some of the lowest-character people in this space?

The Aks, the Mals, the Adins, the Happy Dad/Stake/M@GA crowd, the Andrew Schultzs, that shiny-faced TikTok chick with the annoying vocal cadence, the What’s the Dirt types, etc. Even Drake himself has been shown multiple times in the past to have lied by omission, if not outright.

And no, not everyone on the opposite side is some moral pillar either. But if you were to name the 10 worst people in this space, it feels like 8 out of those 10 would be over there. Has that never made anyone stop and think, “Hmm… maybe this narrative is being manipulated and I’m being gaslit?”

The willful acceptance of the presented narrative feels very M@GA-coded.
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MAGA coded when it comes to black folks ain’t a thing ever
 
People are gonna like whoever is generally saying what they want to hear. If a podcaster, streamer, social media influencers content skews towards what you think, believe or agree with then thats what will resonate with you and legitimize that creator in your eyes.

Confirmation bias is a thing. There's wack and maga coded people on every side of this like dj hed, fantano, ebro, budden Charlemagne, rosenberg... we don't have to do a versuz of shitty individuals because niggas aren't thinking hard enough.
 
Dwayne said:
MAGA coded when it comes to black folks ain’t a thing ever
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Expound? I were talking about a mix-breed and majority whites. And Jay literally just warned about the right wing agenda topic in GQ.

Even further Drake had a bar about white guilt on this very album.
 
“Tired of all y’all tellin’ me niggas is real, pussy, I know when it’s real/You only come home to pose and pop off a look, but you forgot how it feel/Chi-Town, poppin’ a pill, go on a drill, lookin’ for someone to kill/White kids listen to you ’cause they feel some guilt/And that’s how your soul gets fufilled”


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Freeman said:
People are gonna like whoever is generally saying what they want to hear. If a podcaster, streamer, social media influencers content skews towards what you think, believe or agree with then thats what will resonate with you and legitimize that creator in your eyes.

Confirmation bias is a thing. There's wack and maga coded people on every side of this like dj hed, fantano, ebro, budden Charlemagne, rosenberg... we don't have to do a versuz of shitty individuals because niggas aren't thinking hard enough.
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Award shows, corny ass hip hop heads online, etc have been on dot side for over a decade. They both have some of the worse fandoms in modern rap music history and have an abundance of losers that champion them.
 
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