COMMUNITY Does your city have flock cameras?

RandomOne said:
It's been a huge discussion in my area. My county and counties nearby have put up flock cameras. They're supposed to be there to get license plates and if there are crimes in the area then it's supposed to help police but people feel it's a huge invasion of privacy and very Big Brother

There are lawsuits

www.aclu.org

Flock’s Aggressive Expansions Go Far Beyond Simple Driver Surveillance | ACLU

Build it (an authoritarian tracking infrastructure) and they (expanded uses) will come
www.aclu.org www.aclu.org
www.whro.org

A federal judge ruled Norfolk’s Flock surveillance cameras don’t invade people’s privacy – yet

The judge wrote that these cameras don’t violate people’s rights but warned they could in the future. Privacy advocates say that future is already here.
www.whro.org www.whro.org
www.classlawgroup.com

Flock License Plate Cameras Face Class Action Lawsuit by Gibbs Mura, A Law Group

Oakland-based law firm Gibbs Mura has filed a class action lawsuit against Flock Safety for allegedly using its license plate cameras to share millions of Californians’ daily movements with law enforcement agencies, violating…
www.classlawgroup.com www.classlawgroup.com

deflock.org

DeFlock

Find license plate readers (LPRs) near you.
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You can find out if they're in your area
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Never heard of flock cameras.

But I've always assumed that all cities have been under some kind of video surveillance for years.
 
Inori said:
how is this different from traffic cameras that can send you tickets for running red lights n shit. Havent those been in place for decades now?
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A lot of municipalities have removed them. From what I just read, there's only 18 states and DC with them nowadays and there's always been legal/constitutional challenges against them.
 
RandomOne said:
Oh ok. Explain then? Because that's the vibe I was getting from you mainly
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Ijs I understand it from both sides

For what I just paid for this house or rather the loan I got for it, I'm not trying to have no one take my shit or break into it. I also speak from a place of privilege cause I do not live in an area that is prone to crime, which was very intentional among other things I wanted in a new community.

But I would still like to know who took my shit in the event of a burglary and I'm gonna press charges. The sooner they can identify a suspect the better

But everyone can't live where I live. Or maybe they can't afford a decent security camera setup. There's always gonna be a trade off for things in the name of safety imo
 
Im not with the surveillance shit at all but if we being honest with ourselves.. between home security systems(ring,eufy,nest), cellphones, car cameras..laptops and tablets... companies and the govt already got access to all that shit
 
AP4.0 said:
Ijs I understand it from both sides

For what I just paid for this house or rather the loan I got for it, I'm not trying to have no one take my shit or break into it. I also speak from a place of privilege cause I do not live in an area that is prone to crime, which was very intentional among other things I wanted in a new community.

But I would still like to know who took my shit in the event of a burglary and I'm gonna press charges. The sooner they can identify a suspect the better

But everyone can't live where I live. Or maybe they can't afford a decent security camera setup. There's always gonna be a trade off for things in the name of safety imo
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I mean you're talking about different types of surveillance though. Home surveillance for protecting your property vs surveillance with driving down the street or walking the sidewalks
 
Inori said:
Im not with the surveillance shit at all but if we being honest with ourselves.. between home security systems(ring,eufy,nest), cellphones, car cameras..laptops and tablets... companies and the govt already got access to all that shit
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I've seen this comment a lot. The whole why do you care if you're getting spied on by something else

So because those spy then who cares if another thing gets added
 
RandomOne said:
I've seen this comment a lot. The whole why do you care if you're getting spied on by something else

So because those spy then who cares if another thing gets added
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dont misunderstand my sentiment. Im not asking why do you care. I care as well. Im just pointing out that the shit is already happening
 
Ok a lot of people on here dont seem to know what these things are doing, so imma break down what i learned as simple as i can.

  • Flock cameras are reading plates and taking pictures of every vehicle that drives by. AI is looking through it and noting the make, model of car as well as unique characteristics. The this data is uploading to cloud to a network.

  • All of this data is fed through Palantir's AI and is also developing a profile of you.

  • They give Law Enforcement access to this data without a warrant.

  • Its not end-to-end encryption as they claim it is and they still hold the backdoor keys. Prone to hacking and access portals have been left unsecure

  • They say they dont sell your data, but as people have pointed out, they sell subscriptions to a service. So if you buy the subscriptions, you basically buy access to that data they've gathered from all over. In the contract it also says they reserve the right to share your data with whoever they want to

  • People have pointed out that Palantir having access (were a primary investor too) means they're absolutely selling your data

  • People have expressed some concern these cameras are popping up on hiking/biking trails

  • Their CONDOR cameras dont track cars, but people




    www.404media.co

    Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

    Flock left at least 60 of its people-tracking Condor PTZ cameras live streaming and exposed to the open internet.
    www.404media.co www.404media.co
 
Yea I don't know how it's legal. Probably why a lot of lawsuits

I've seen people saying they're voting for whoever gets that shit out of their city
 
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