COMMUNITY Does your city have flock cameras?

[RandomOne]

It's been a huge discussion in my area. My county and counties nearby have put up flock cameras. They're supposed to be there to get license plates and if there are crimes in the area then it's supposed to help police but people feel it's a huge invasion of privacy and very Big Brother

There are lawsuits

Flock’s Aggressive Expansions Go Far Beyond Simple Driver Surveillance | ACLU

Build it (an authoritarian tracking infrastructure) and they (expanded uses) will come

www.aclu.org

A federal judge ruled Norfolk’s Flock surveillance cameras don’t invade people’s privacy – yet

The judge wrote that these cameras don’t violate people’s rights but warned they could in the future. Privacy advocates say that future is already here.

www.whro.org

Flock License Plate Cameras Face Class Action Lawsuit by Gibbs Mura, A Law Group

Oakland-based law firm Gibbs Mura has filed a class action lawsuit against Flock Safety for allegedly using its license plate cameras to share millions of Californians’ daily movements with law enforcement agencies, violating…

www.classlawgroup.com

DeFlock

Find license plate readers (LPRs) near you.

deflock.org

You can find out if they're in your area

 

[RandomOne]

 

[AP4.0]

I kinda see it both ways but I know everyone will wish they had them in the event something happened

 

[AP4.0]

Also fwiw, I've seen a bunch of crimes solved on the first 48 because of these cameras

 

[Matt123]

Yep.. pretty sure they are all over VA now. I’ve only noticed some a few times.. fun fact I wanna say that had something to do with than finding my truck to issue me a parking ticket for the city over the day after.

 

[MoeW]

 

[RandomOne]

Also fwiw, I've seen a bunch of crimes solved on the first 48 because of these cameras

That sounds more like a need for better police than a need for cameras everywhere

 

[The question]

Yea and I used to Eddie Griffin at one point so lowkey that’s not a good thing for the government to have on me

 

[konceptjones]

Been debating on making a thread about these things. Lotta folks over thisaway don't like 'em, myself included. The US is not a surveillance state, and this is pushing us closer to it.

 

[konceptjones]

https://ij.org/police-have-reportedly-used-license-plate-readers-to-stalk-romantic-interests-at-least-14-times-in-recent-years/

 

[konceptjones]

These things have been used for stalking by cops a ridiculous number of times.

Wisconsin communities grapple with police misuse of Flock surveillance • Wisconsin Examiner

More cases have emerged in Wisconsin of police abuse of Flock technology, as community concern about surveillance grows.

wisconsinexaminer.com

Cops Keep Getting Arrested for Using Flock to Stalk People

There have been more than a dozen cases around the country where police use Flock to obsessively and illegally stalk people.

www.404media.co

Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast - Engadget

Mounting privacy and security issues have residents and activists concerned.

www.engadget.com

 

[Dwayne]

They are not bad, but the people that are in charge of them are using them in a bad way

 

[AP4.0]

That sounds more like a need for better police than a need for cameras everywhere

Police don't deter crime though and are reactive

 

[Dwayne]

Police don't deter crime though and are reactive

yea.

Police don’t deter crime. The punishment does

 

[Matt123]

The bad out-ways the good IMO… easy and constant surveillance isn’t necessarily a good thing.. once you start invading privacy your no better then the other countries that do it and take advantage and handicap their civilians. Yeah it might help solve a murder here and there but I’m sure there’s several other incidents of invasion of privacy doesn’t offset it imo.

 

[Inori]

The bad out-ways the good IMO… easy and constant surveillance isn’t necessarily a good thing.. once you start invading privacy your no better then the other countries that do it and take advantage and handicap their civilians. Yeah it might help solve a murder here and there but I’m sure there’s several other incidents of invasion of privacy doesn’t offset it imo.

I get the sentiment.. and I dont like the shit either but I dont know if I would classify this as an invasion of privacy

 

[konceptjones]

I get the sentiment.. and I dont like the shit either but I dont know if I would classify this as an invasion of privacy

It is. We should have the ability to go about our daily lives without the police monitoring our every movement without probable cause or a warrant.

 

[Inori]

It is. We should have the ability to go about our daily lives without the police monitoring our every movement without probable cause or a warrant.

I agree but it's in public places. One should expect only so much privacy in a public area

 

[Matt123]

I get the sentiment.. and I dont like the shit either but I dont know if I would classify this as an invasion of privacy

I see it this way and honestly up until recently didn’t really put much opinion into it. It’s one thing for a business and/or property to have their own surveillance but once crossing that line allowing basically allowing to much surveillance from the traffic lights, random street camera etc I think the bad is gonna out-way the good.

 

[RandomOne]

A whole lot of "I'm alright with losing privacy for safety"