Can you be "woke" and date white people?

All I'm gonna say is some people don't practice what they preach being pro black with wanting to be with someone outside their race and I understand that people make mistakes before they discover knowledge of self to know what pro black means to them.
 
Race Jones said:
I think it's a contradiction to be honest. I was debating with this guy who said: "There's a difference of loving white ppl and whiteness."

I think this fragmenting of whiteness/white people is dangerous.

White is not a color. White is a political definition, which represents historical, political and social privileges of a certain group that has access to dominant structures and institutions of society. "Whiteness" represents the reality and history of a certain group. When we talk about what it means to be white, then we talk about politics and certainly not about biology. Just like the term black is a political identity, which refers to a historicity, political and social realities and not to biology.

So honestly what is the difference between loving white ppl and whiteness when both identifiers are oppressive?
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well for one, you're conflating the natural simplicity of love and sexual attraction with submitting to oppression. ridiculous enough in itself. going further, you're making the mistake of thinking white people don't have an ability to recognize minority plight, empathize with it, and claim a stake in acting in solidarity with us.

Yes, in one case you might simply have a preference of sexual attraction.

and if there isn't a preference, then there's some sort of desire that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with longing for, latching on to or submitting to white dominance.. perhaps a white person took that place of love and affection where any number of other people could have if the time and place was right. plenty of fish.

The problem with some proponents of "wokeness" is that they overanalyze, politicize and extremify shit that often doesn't warrant it. Then when they've decided they've got it all figured out, apply their generalities to people and things that effectively denies them of the benefit of doubt, or even a chance to explain their reasons and circumstance. just stop.
 
Bobjones said:
well for one, you're conflating the natural simplicity of love and sexual attraction with submitting to oppression. ridiculous enough in itself. going further, you're making the mistake of thinking white people don't have an ability to recognize minority plight, empathize with it, and claim a stake in acting in solidarity with us.

Yes, in one case you might simply have a preference of sexual attraction.

and if there isn't a preference, then there's some sort of desire that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with longing for, latching on to or submitting to white dominance.. perhaps a white person took that place of love and affection where any number of other people could have if the time and place was right. plenty of fish.

The problem with some proponents of "wokeness" is that they overanalyze, politicize and extremify shit that often doesn't warrant it. Then when they've decided they've got it all figured out, apply their generalities to people and things that effectively denies them of the benefit of doubt, or even a chance to explain their reasons and circumstance. just stop.
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yea yea yea keep your Black dick outta white coochie
 
Race Jones said:
yea yea yea keep your Black dick outta white coochie
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white women are the last women i'd date. but it's merely preference. not some overwrought, generalized notion about what this or that race represents or can be characterized as.

you make threads condemning colourism then turn coat and talk like this. same infighting bullshit, different guise.
 
Bobjones said:
white women are the last women i'd date. but it's merely preference. not some overwrought, generalized notion about what this or that race represents or can be characterized as.

you make threads condemning colourism then turn coat and talk like this. same infighting bullshit, different guise.
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i make threads on colorism because white supremacy has done a number on us all. what makes you think i would champion you fucking and sucking anyone who isnt Black?

:huh2:
 
Race Jones said:
i make threads on colorism because white supremacy has done a number on us all. what makes you think i would champion you fucking and sucking anyone who isnt Black?

:huh2:
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you can be OK with something without championing it.

U can also not be OK with it personally and still let others live their fuckin' life without berating them for it on baseless grounds.

i also don't recall mentioning anything about going around promoting/championing mixed relationships. that shit would be weird. if they're going to happen, let them happen organically. all that's really needed for anything interpersonal to develop organically is living among each other. just as any budding childhood friendship might start. it's not rocket science. live and let live.
 
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Disanthrope said:
Damn the mods burried this thread


I'll give you the divest movement is a clapback at brothers but the fact that it is a movement is unprecedented. Black men who swirl do so individually and independent of other swirlers.

The divest movement is a virtual high 5, you go girl thing now being corporately backed as you said. There's no comparison in that respect...
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You know what? Reading this mess here...nah, I'm not going back and forth with you.

I expected better from you, Dis.
Disanthrope said:
@Scandalust313 did you actually listen to mack lessons?
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Of course I did.

I brought up King Flex/Marcus Sanders because he fit into the discussion.

But you have your opinions and I have mine....I don't come to ABW to have circular arguments.

You got it, Dis.
 
Scandalust313 said:
You know what? Reading this mess here...nah, I'm not going back and forth with you.

I expected better from you, Dis.

Of course I did.

I brought up King Flex/Marcus Sanders because he fit into the discussion.

But you have your opinions and I have mine....I don't come to ABW to have circular arguments.

You got it, Dis.
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Better?

I don't swirl and don't advocate for it...again just a perspective on those who do


About mack lessons, if you listened you know he always always injected pro black talk into his episodes. He always spoke on race issues because people kept asking him for interracial dating advice, so its disingenuous to say he jumped on the woke hustle when you should know he was always on it. He didn't switch up at all as you insinuated, thats all
 
Disanthrope said:
Better?

I don't swirl and don't advocate for it...again just a perspective on those who do


About mack lessons, if you listened you know he always always injected pro black talk into his episodes. He always spoke on race issues because people kept asking him for interracial dating advice, so its disingenuous to say he jumped on the woke hustle when you should know he was always on it. He didn't switch up at all as you insinuated, thats all
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This is a hustle for him.

Marcus is full of shit.

End of.

Again, you got it.

Be blessed and make it a great day.
 
That "woke" shit ain't nothin more than a front for people to try to be more condescending to others.

Fuck that shit. Date whom you please. If you're putting in REAL WORK, who the fuck are some coffee-house sippin, beanie-wearing, Umar-quoting goons to question you?
 
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"Wokeness" as an umbrella buzzword overarches such a variety of different social movements, legal entities, belief systems, cults and ideologies, that asking whether a black "Woke" could date a white woman is like asking whether a conservative white man can date a black woman while never specifying whether you are talking about moderate right wingers or far-right wingers.
 
JohnSmithCAN said:
"Wokeness" as an umbrella buzzword overarches such a variety of different social movements, legal entities, belief systems, cults and ideologies, that asking whether a black "Woke" could date a white woman is like asking whether a conservative white man can date a black woman while never specifying whether you are talking about moderate right wingers or far-right wingers.
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OKAAY. Now we gettin to the bottom of some shit.
 
IMHO the question is personal... I mean that in a few ways.

I. This is a individual person that you are in relationship with - (from other race)
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-A. One person does not = a race, their race, or any other group identifier that you can attach them to
---- If you're thinking that --- you are thinking the same dumb shit that makes an individual white person hate all black people

there are white people who put their lives on the line for our cause
NOTE: some for their own personal gain BUT SOME because they know what's right and are willing to stand up for that

there have been white people ridiculed, beat, jailed, and killed (by their own) just for helping us
and there are black people who have ridiculed, beat, jailed, and killed us (their own) to impress those in power, or to get money, clout, power themselves

*** so let's not get it twisted -this is about and individual's character and mentality not their pigment level


II. The Black person in the relationship
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Why are they there?

Did they just meet somebody they thought was on point? (Possibly Woke)

Or where the looking for that trophy
that says I am successful,
that says I transcend the boundaries of race
that says I am worthy
that says I am accepted (Not Woke)
then they are only so woke

Why are we doin the shit we doin
Are we doing it
to prove to the that the oppressive ideas
that are have been historically pervasive in America
are not true.

or is it the idea that
if I can get them to believe its not true then
that proves it -proves to me its not true (cause I aint 100)


In the south they say it's the hit dog that hollas

If somebody calls you broke and you got 10 banks on overflow
and you know you're set ... you just look at them crazy and walk off

but if you struggling to get off broke
them words hit a little harder and it might be a fight

AND
If we think being Black or woke means
doing away with all things outside of our culture
then we are in fucking coma
If you Black and proud of being black
you can interact with culture and still be Black
---If I like butter pecan it don't mean I hate chocolate


but hell all of us are only so woke
labels lose meaning when people forget all things are
a progression towards perfect - and ain't nobody there yet.

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to me this is the bottom line
stand up for what's right (black, white, or otherwise)
analyze and work out your own shit
(yeah, im talkin you)-- realize YOU got issues motherfucker
and deal with that don't trip I know i got issues too -lol
 
JohnSmithCAN said:
I see your point, and it's indeed logical (in spite its semi-lyrical tone... are you a poet?) .
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Funny you say that..
I actually removed a few unintended rhymes
...as I used to write alot
when climbing out of some of my darker times
again unintended when thinking deeply
the inkwell rises up slowly beneath me
and flows not in vain through the tips of my hands
and arise again the gift that freed me from the burning sands
-nikao

Its weird
it comes out when it wants...
and when it does it virtually writes itself
thanks for calling it out
I miss being in that flow

flow zone.gif
 
nikao1 said:
Funny you say that..
I actually removed a few unintended rhymes
...as I used to write alot
when climbing out of some of my darker times
again unintended when thinking deeply
the inkwell rises up slowly beneath me
and flows not in vain through the tips of my hands
and arise again the gift that freed me from the burning sands
-nikao

Its weird
it comes out when it wants...
and when it does it virtually writes itself
thanks for calling it out
I miss being in that flow

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**sigh**
yea it feels like that -lol
a lil bit less hype though
 
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