Better Overall: Current NBA Players vs Old School NBA Players?

[The Lonious Monk]

To make it clear that was a player comp of Jahlil Okafur. Maybe i should have added lack of athleticism but that is a player who had by many built for the wrong era, who had a "bag" in the post yet couldnt see time aside from being serviceable on some of the worst teams ever.

I don't get your point. Okafur has been playing since the 10s and is still playing today. He hasn't been anything special in that era and probably wouldn't be anything special in the 90s where he would have to play game in and game out against elite centers.

 

[NotRol]

I don't get your point. Okafur has been playing since the 10s and is still playing today. He hasn't been anything special in that era and probably wouldn't be anything special in the 90s where he would have to play game in and game out against elite centers.

Jahlil doesn’t play anymore, unless you consider 1 game since the 20-21 season as playing. And even then he was being phased out the league, before teams not wanting him. Jahlil is the perfect case of how the league has evolved. And I never said he’d be special, but I’m sure he could at least be a serviceable player in the 90s who would have a much longer career and played many minutes

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Jahlil doesn’t play anymore, unless you consider 1 game since the 20-21 season as playing. And even then he was being phased out the league, before teams not wanting him. Jahlil is the perfect case of how the league has evolved. And I never said he’d be special, but I’m sure he could at least be a serviceable player in the 90s who would have a much longer career and played many minutes

You might be right but that's not a matter of him but being skilled. It's more to do with the game changing and his particular set of skills being less valuable.

 

[Sky Davis]

 

[O.G.]

He was clearly joking. He has always showed love for other eras. Ice was a pure scorer. Give him the spacing in today's game and it's a no brainer. This argument is getting fucking stupid bcuz youngins always want past eras to play by their eras rules and play style, but not let the youngins play by past era rules and play style.

Yall got it.

 

[NotRol]

You might be right but that's not a matter of him but being skilled. It's more to do with the game changing and his particular set of skills being less valuable.

When advance analytics became a big part of the game it made it impossible to hide his weaknesses. In the past just being big was good enough to make up for being the type of player of his makeup. Today’s players are expected to do way more, especially movement offensively and defensively

 

[The Lonious Monk]

When advance analytics became a big part of the game it made it impossible to hide his weaknesses. In the past just being big was good enough to make up for being the type of player of his makeup. Today’s players are expected to do way more, especially movement offensively and defensively

Except that's not at all what analytics did. In fact, analytics said the opposite. Analytics pushed players away from shooting in the midrange because those were low percentage shots. The big reason they were low percentage shots was because centers like Okafur were good at their jobs. You acting like all they did was be big instead of acknowledging that rim protecting and cutting off the mid-range takes actual skill. Players now are more generalists where players back then were more specialists. That's true, but the problem with everything you say is that you're just undermining how good the players were at what they did back in the day to act like they were just big.

Like there's no point in having a discussion if you're just going to lie about the capabilities of players.

 

[Dwayne]

More skilled in some areas now less skilled in certain areas

The truth is usually boring

More skilled in more areas

And less skilled in less areas.

That’s the truth.

 

[O.G.]

Look at the congestion in the paint in this vid and convince me that players from the past wouldn't succeed in this era. Hoopers hoop.

 

[NotRol]

Except that's not at all what analytics did. In fact, analytics said the opposite. Analytics pushed players away from shooting in the midrange because those were low percentage shots. The big reason they were low percentage shots was because centers like Okafur were good at their jobs. You acting like all they did was be big instead of acknowledging that rim protecting and cutting off the mid-range takes actual skill. Players now are more generalists where players back then were more specialists. That's true, but the problem with everything you say is that you're just undermining how good the players were at what they did back in the day to act like they were just big.

Like there's no point in having a discussion if you're just going to lie about the capabilities of players.

What am i wrong about? That it didnt expose his weakness? Yes it pushed the game away from mid range because they realized the three is more valuable than the two. Okafur could score but he couldnt bend defenses, his game didnt create 3s and it slowed the game down.

So teams asked, “Why build an offense around something that’s statistically worse than a kick-out 3?” To put it bluntly analytics said do we score more with him on the court? Do we give up less when hes on the court

You can literally watch OGs video that he posted as far as defense is concern and why Okafur defense would not be negative as today. There was little movement and the lack of a 3 point shot didnt force much of guys running out to chase, so guys could pack the lane and be just a body and the alternative for the scorer was to take the worst shot in the game which was the long 2. Very few teams would expose this most Nelson and D'antoni's, offensively were ahead of their time. But as good as their teams offenses were their defenses were just as bad.

 

[Mister Breeze]

Talent:
Newer >>> Older

Fundamentals:
Newer <<< Older

Discipline:
Newer <<<<<<<<<< Older

Court IQ:
Newer <<< Older

Toughness:
Newer <<<<<<< Older

 

[The Lonious Monk]

What am i wrong about? That it didnt expose his weakness? Yes it pushed the game away from mid range because they realized the three is more valuable than the two. Okafur could score but he couldnt bend defenses, his game didnt create 3s and it slowed the game down.

So teams asked, “Why build an offense around something that’s statistically worse than a kick-out 3?” To put it bluntly analytics said do we score more with him on the court? Do we give up less when hes on the court

You can literally watch OGs video that he posted as far as defense is concern and why Okafur defense would not be negative as today. There was little movement and the lack of a 3 point shot didnt force much of guys running out to chase, so guys could pack the lane and be just a body and the alternative for the scorer was to take the worst shot in the game which was the long 2. Very few teams would expose this most Nelson and D'antoni's, offensively were ahead of their time. But as good as their teams offenses were their defenses were just as bad.

It wasn't a weakness when he came along. That's the point. The game changed. Some players' games don't fit in the new paradigm. That's not exposing a weakness. That's just a skillset that's become obsolete because of the new way the game is played.

Also, the analytics are only right when you have a team that can capitalize off them, and that's part of the problem with today's league. People act like Golden State proved the analytics correct, so everyone started playing like Golden State. The problem is, none of these teams are built like Golden State so things don't work as well. On top of that, teams are stupid in their execution because they are slaves to analytics. Remember when Houston missed 20+ 3s in a row? Instead of trying something new, they died on the analytics hill. Remember when Boston played GS in the Finals and GS would get out to big leads with 3s. Boston would play solid defense with a varied offense and overtake GS, only for them to then switch to playing more like what the analytics said only for them to get outplayed by GS.

I don't think some old ways are as obsolete as you think. Offenses and defenses in the league have become carbon copies of each other all designed to stop a specific style of play. I'm betting if you did get someone like prime Shaq or Dwight in today's game, they'd be unstoppable as long as they had teammates that could get them the ball. That's not trivial though since entry passes are a skill that have faded a way too.

 

[Goldie]

 

[Northside7]

A lot of these guys today are weak and wimpish.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Was the part where Lebron talked about the hotels and pillows supposed to be a joke or is he really that out of touch?