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ZMaKEa said:
How can Hip Hop create something new when the basis of it is the music of the 70s and 80s?

Hip Hop is a technological and sociological innovation, not a musical innovation. The makers of Hip Hop can't read music. Aren't proficient at playing instruments. Can't sing on key. Even the production techniques are rather simple and rudimentary compared to Techno and other forms of electronic music.

The strength of Hip Hop music is the fact that it's rooted in Funk and Jazz, it's the beat and groove and the swing. It's the soul, it's the 70s Black American music. It's the Blues.

It's not an insult, it's the truth.

Hip Hop is a case study of how technology democratized music making and how digital technology will lead to copying and reinforcing what already was created.

Which is why Hip Hop is the last frontier of popular music. There will be nothing else after it because each generation after Hip Hop, as the original Hip Hop generation has done, which is copy the music of their parents and older relatives. Gen Z and Alpha, literally copying Y2K popular culture. Millennials will most likely be the last generation that attempted to create something novel but ended up copying. Every other generation will openly and brazenly copying because that's how our technology easily allows it which has influenced our cultural production.

As Hip Hop and it's method of music creation has became dominated popular music, we went deeper and deeper into nostalgia and remaking what is already here.

Hip Hop is recursive, self-referential youth culture and music. You can't point to single new thing within the genre of Hip Hop that didn't already exist because that's how the genre itself was conceived.
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Something new in hip hop that didn't exist before it...the ways and methods in which samples are used to craft new records. The structure of how rap songs themselves are written. Both of those things have gone on to influence music since hip hop's inception. And thats just 2 things. Now you can keep insulting Black people under the guise of defending Black Americans with backhanded compliments. I'll keep just giving the credit flat out without having to denigrate any group of Black people to do it.
 
ZMaKEa said:
Never thought there would be a day where we would get Colombused out of something that is uniquely American and ours.

Like, you can literally look at the sample credits and see where the shit comes from lol.
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We are special people is what I have come to terms with. Not better but special. And I'm not even on some hotep shit. Just reality and the shit that has been happening.

Dude is the reason we have issues.
And cats like Fat Joe

Nigga wanna come into your house and tell you how to run your shit.
The niggas who built the house for free.

Nigga did you forget my folks are the reason you can even come over to this motherfucker and setup shop and eat good.

These white folks aint want you nor your grandparents in this hoe.

Nah. FBAs folks are gatekeeping shit.

I used to think it was foolishness but it's like wait a dayum minute, these folks out here really tripping hard, and lying at that. Nah, let me slow yo roll buddy and lets gets some straightening and lets clear that fog out your mind
 
SeaSnake said:
Niggas wanna be superior to other blacks.
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If having a sense of an intact identity and historicity without having to cater to this odd flat blackness which is a detriment to everyone that cares to have an intact identity isn't trampled on with false ideals of unity without a country or a culture to invest in, then be my guess.

Can't have an identity without knowing where you end and begin. Can't have a culture without gatekeeping. Can't have a country without borders.

Black Americans talk about White people taking credit for shit that they didn't create and other "Black" person is like, "Yeah, get them."

Then non-Black Americans wanna say they created Hip Hop and we say no.

Then we racist, xenophobic and etc. Like we supposed to give out participation credit for shit that is based on Black American culture.

This is why I am in favor of disaggregation, so people know their boundaries. Where they end and where they begin.
 
BlackRain said:
You don't even know what you're talking about. At no point did I say non Black Americans created hip hop. If you can't even get that basic thing right then just stop. Youre one again showing you dont really comprehend well nor discuss things from an actual grounded pov. You're just once again spouting out things you think are fact as opposed to actual facts. Same shit that had you looking like you didn't know what you were talking about before.
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You said Kool Herc was the creator of hip hop and thats false nigga.

Nigga post your 20 page diary.
Let's talk about that nigga since you made mentioned of it like niggas reference your shit for the truth

Post that bullshit nigga
 
Knock_Twice said:
You said Kool Herc was the creator of hip hop and thats false nigga.

Nigga post your 20 page diary.
Let's talk about that nigga
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No i did not say that. I said he's credited with being one of the founders. You do know that means don't you? Or is the phrase "one of" something that went by you? The words are still there for you to read. Or you gonna keep going to insults and bad faith arguments?
 
BlackRain said:
No i did not say that. I said he's credited with being one of the founders. You do know that means don't you? Or is the phrase "one of" something that went by you? The words are still there for you to read. Or you gonna keep going to insults and bad faith arguments?
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And I said that's false nigga, Not True.
 
BlackRain said:
Something new in hip hop that didn't exist before it...the ways and methods in which samples are used to craft new records. The structure of how rap songs themselves are written. Both of those things have gone on to influence music since hip hop's inception. And thats just 2 things. Now you can keep insulting Black people under the guise of defending Black Americans with backhanded compliments. I'll keep just giving the credit flat out without having to denigrate any group of Black people to do it.
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Post an example of 3 rap songs that your post talks about nigga.

Let's pick apart what the fuck you are saying.

This what you wanna die with

Post your proof to what you're saying

I'm still waiting for you to post that 4 page letter you written Aaliyah
 
BlackRain said:
Something new in hip hop that didn't exist before it...the ways and methods in which samples are used to craft new records. The structure of how rap songs themselves are written. Both of those things have gone on to influence music since hip hop's inception. And thats just 2 things. Now you can keep insulting Black people under the guise of defending Black Americans with backhanded compliments. I'll keep just giving the credit flat out without having to denigrate any group of Black people to do it.
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Rapping existed before Hip Hop music.

The structure of popular American music is based on the Blues. Hip Hop didn't create a new song structure.

See, you aren't talking about music, you are talking about how music is produced with digital technology. You are talking about production techniques. I am talking about actual sounds that are being made.

Did Hip Hop create new rhythms, no, it used Funk/Jazz syncopation.

Did Hip Hop create new chords, no, it used Jazz chords.

Did Hip Hop create new song structures, no it used Blues.

What was used to create Hip Hop music, samplers and turntables and taking music that they like and looping the shit. But did Hip Hop invent sampling, no. Sampling was invented in the damn 40s. Composers were making sound collages.

You can keep subscribing credit to the wrong shit as a feel good pat on the back. I don't give a fuck about that.

I am giving credit for the actual right thing.
 
Knock_Twice said:
Post an example of 3 rap songs that your post talks about nigga.

Let's pick apart what the fuck you are saying.

This what you wanna die with

Post your proof to what you're saying

I'm still waiting for you to post that 4 page letter you written Aaliyah
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He seriously trying hard as hell to avoid the fact that Hip Hop music is the Black American musical tradition reinterpreted and reproduced with the use of digital technology.

But nobody wants to deal with the ramifications of that.
 
ZMaKEa said:
Rapping existed before Hip Hop music.

The structure of popular American music is based on the Blues. Hip Hop didn't create a new song structure.

See, you aren't talking about music, you are talking about how music is produced with digital technology. You are talking about production techniques. I am talking about actual sounds that are being made.

Did Hip Hop create new rhythms, no, it used Funk/Jazz syncopation.

Did Hip Hop create new chords, no, it used Jazz chords.

Did Hip Hop create new song structures, no it used Blues.

What was used to create Hip Hop music, samplers and turntables and taking music that they like and looping the shit. But did Hip Hop invent sampling, no. Sampling was invented in the damn 40s. Composers were making sound collages.

You can keep subscribing credit to the wrong shit as a feel good pat on the back. I don't give a fuck about that.

I am giving credit for the actual right thing.
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I swear I had something similar to what you just posted.

Stax Record artists along with Motown and James Brown and many more artists from Blues to Gospel singers been doing the shit he's trying to use as a argument.

I am waiting on him to post 3 songs that he can use as an example.

I told him FBA been rapping way before Hip Hop came to play.

He think that's a cap lol
 
ZMaKEa said:
He seriously trying hard as hell to avoid the fact that Hip Hop music is the Black American musical tradition reinterpreted and reproduced with the use of digital technology.

But nobody wants to deal with the ramifications of that.
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And thats the separation that I am talking about. Instead of being on some, yea that's some dope shit yall did for the world, he on some
Uh huh, see when Hip Hop came, they introduced the 808 sound into the music. Hip Hop also came with the whispering over records like what the Ying Yang Twins did..see see

Uh huh And see I wrote a 20 page letter and closed it with a kiss about Hip hop in my room one night with my vinalli scented candle flaming and it tells all the truth about who started Hip hop.
Yall wrong my 20 page tells all the truth smh lol
Nigga smh

Yall using the white man words against me. Yall know that's American culture. Which America culture nigga, South or North, its 2 Americas dummy,
Just saying dumb shit to sound smart smh


Nigga shut up lol. Just stop

See he can do that shit on here and niggas like Ap will let him slide with that goofy shit.

Niggas like me and you and a few others will check his ass on the fuck shit he says, him and others, they get mad with me cuz I call that bullshit out and put that truth in them niggas grill, as if I give 2 shits lol.
 
Knock_Twice said:
I swear I had something similar to what you just posted.

Stax Record artists along with Motown and James Brown and many more artists from Blues to Gospel singers been doing the shit he's trying to use as a argument.

I am waiting on him to post 3 songs that he can use as an example.

I told him FBA been rapping way before Hip Hop came to play.

He think that's a cap lol
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Rhyming words and poetry is just a universal human thing.

Me and you are talking about the music and the Black American musical tradition and the interaction of that with digital technology and street culture.

That's what Hip Hop is right.

A modernizing of the Black American musical traditional with accessible digital technology and urbanism.

The newness in Hip Hop was the social environment and the technology. It's not the music itself.

But if you try to make Hip Hop music seem like a brand new thing that was stumbled upon while some New York City kids were playing with turntables, then you can insert all of these other actors as an originator of a brand new tradition, instead of participants of a long ongoing one that they assimilated into.
 
Knock_Twice said:
Dwann B
Cornbread Mafia
Lord Jamar
Tariq Nasheed Hip Hop documentary

Check them out if you want. They have dates and many folks who speak on Kool Herc, from NYC.
Folks with flyers before 73 that were doing shit. FBAs.

Check it out if you have time
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I don’t disagree I’m just going with the universally accepted date and founder
 
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