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He is definitely one of the most most important without a doubt...

I dont think there is only ONE person who can claim the moniker as too many artists have had important contributions to the genre in various different ways...

LL has hardcore raps too but theres no doubting his rapping for the females was trendsetting and formula that guys like Drake made $100mills copying... It would be interesting to think who would had been the first to do what LL did...

BDK and LL both leant into the sexualised thing (both had bars too) but LL's version wasnt as X-rated and more 'teen friendly'...
 
Nah it's Kanye West and I think he's the wackest rapper of all-time. It's not fun listening to dude struggle rap. But he's had the most innovative vision of Hip Hop beyond street music and youth music.

Kanye West made Hip Hop bonafide, undeniable Pop musi and it was accepted. He opened up the avenue for non-rapping, Hip Hop adjacent artists with his experiment in 808s and Heartbreak. He pushed songwriting and production in Hip Hop so far into the future that the genre doesn't even sound like it did 20 years ago.

Hip Hop wouldn't be the biggest genre in the world without Kanye. Nobody else had the capabilities to do what he did at the time. And nobody else in the genre really followed behind him in the same way trying to push the boundaries of what Hip Hop could be.

Someone was gonna come around do what LL did regardless.

What Kanye has done is some "Michael Jackson taken over Pop music with the music video" shit.

There's Hip Hop music before Kanye and there's Hip Hop music after Kanye.
 
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ZMaKEa said:
Nah it's Kanye West and I think he's the wackest rapper of all-time. It's not fun listening to dude struggle rap. But he's had the most innovative vision of Hip Hop beyond street music and youth music.

Kanye West made Hip Hop bonafide, undeniable Pop musi and it was accepted. He opened up the avenue for non-rapping, Hip Hop adjacent artists with his experiment in 808s and Heartbreak. He pushed songwriting and production in Hip Hop so far into the future that the genre doesn't even sound like it did 20 years ago.

Hip Hop wouldn't be the biggest genre in the world without Kanye. Nobody else had the capabilities to do what he did at the time. And nobody else in the genre really followed behind him in the same way trying to push the boundaries of what Hip Hop could be.

Someone was gonna come around do what LL did regardless.

What Kanye has done is some "Michael Jackson taken over Pop music with the music video" shit.

There's Hip Hop music before Kanye and there's Hip Hop music after Kanye.
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You could apply the bolded to Kanye too. There has to be a consistently moving genre there for someone to elevate, and LL kept that genre alive for 2 decades up to that point. If Kanye is MJ, LL is James Brown. MJ might be more popular, but James Brown created a whole genre which ironically is one of the cornerstones of hip hop. If LL didn't find a way to make I Need Love hit, we're not gonna wanna hear what Kanye is saying on 808s. Plus ppl did what Kanye did on smaller levels... the whole Native Tongues movement, Kid n Play, MC Hammer, Hieroglyphics, the Soulquarians and dozens more made either easily accessible or sonically innovative music that pushed the culture.
 
He has a strong case...

It's between him, Snoop and ice cube... Maybe will Smith

In regards of legitimate artists who became crossover success and house hold names

LL is one of the most influential artists of his era and beyond.... TV shows, movies, clothing labels, dude is definitely an icon
 
Lab Baby said:
You could apply the bolded to Kanye too. There has to be a consistently moving genre there for someone to elevate, and LL kept that genre alive for 2 decades up to that point. If Kanye is MJ, LL is James Brown. MJ might be more popular, but James Brown created a whole genre which ironically is one of the cornerstones of hip hop. If LL didn't find a way to make I Need Love hit, we're not gonna wanna hear what Kanye is saying on 808s. Plus ppl did what Kanye did on smaller levels... the whole Native Tongues movement, Kid n Play, MC Hammer, Hieroglyphics, the Soulquarians and dozens more made either easily accessible or sonically innovative music that pushed the culture.
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Whodini made RnB love records...

The foundations of Hip Hop was initially in dance music and RnB. Up until Run DMC, Beastie Boys and them crushed the buildings, most Hip Hop sounded like I Need Love.

Kanye West didn't do the shit the Native Tongue did.

Kanye West openly said, "I don't care about your dusty Hip Hop, I am going to make legit Pop music and there's nothing you gonna do or say to stop me."

Hip Hop been trying to go that way since the 90s and the street rappers would jump in and say nah, that shit is wack. Will Smith, MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice were successful but they weren't accepted in Hip Hop.

The street rappers tried to stop Kanye West too and he broke through and he didn't make shit that sounded like anything in Hip Hop and nobody could tell him shit.

How many actual Hip Hop albums are in Kanye's discography? How many albums that actually sound like a Hip Hop album similar to anything made in the late 80s, 90s and the 2000s?

It's probably only College Dropout, Late Registration and My Dark Twisted Fantasy.

Kanye West in all honestly, tricked everybody by making College Dropout so he can run off and make his version of Pop music.

The experimentations of Native Tongue and them were grounded in Funk, RnB and Soul. Kanye West's music is like Bjork, Daft Punk, Marylin Manson and Nine Inch Nails. Kanye West is closer to alternative music in the 90s and 2000s than to any Hip Hop artist before him.
 
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