COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

[SeaSnake]

We (FBAS) Black women and Black men who want reparations according to some posters are passed smart dumb. Dumb Dumb, how bout this. Let us take our dumb ass on down the way then and let you fight the battle.

You're the smart one, You figure it out.

I really think sometimes, yall let y'all emotions take over, lack of fathers, uncles, everyday interactions with strong men, really exposes some of yall.

Man live life, stop @ me to shit.

Yall need my votes, and the dummies like me to vote. Nobody aint doing that shit, I'm glad you niggas in here whining and crying about the world collapsing.

So be it nigga. I'on give a shit. I done ran it up, Overdue for some new shit anyways.

Wanting reparations is not dumb lol nobody has said that at all

 

[OmarWasRight]

You're missing a big piece of this which is...some of these policies will not affect you as it does others. So whether you realize and/or admit it you are shielded from some of this shit.

He’s smart, well read and knows this doesn’t effect him.

At this point, it’s clear that he’s a white man and he truly doesn’t give a fuck.

 

[TheNightKing]

Of course I have a problem with the reality of our system why wouldn't I?

So the only reason we get bad democrats is bc Republicans? But when we get good democrats it's bc the democrats?

This is how u guys compute?

You reduced his whole argument down to that one point because it supports your narrative. Let’s talk holistically.

My point was that one of two are getting in. That’s the reality.

 

[Knock_Twice]

Wanting reparations is not dumb lol nobody has said that at all

You are smarter than this brotha


It's been applied. Bitch ass niggas was used because folks want reparations for their vote.

Dude called a whole group of black ppl bitch ass niggas because they want reparations for their vote.

Said some other things also.

Go back and read it

 

[TheNightKing]

Wanting reparations is not dumb lol nobody has said that at all

Wanting reparations is certainly not dumb. I want reparations. I haven’t seen anyone be anti-reparations.

What’s not wise is basing your whole political view on an issue so far out of reach given the current political environment and lack of broad support.

There’s always been a push to keep us from voting. You have to wonder if this particular stance has traction because this also results in fewer black people voting.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

1. I agree with the that they also seek to maintain power. I think they do it by trying to appeal to a progressive side as opposed to conservatives who would rather go backwards in time. Where I split with the "both sides" is the impact of the decisions made under that strive to appear more progressive which is why i say that following both sides logic to the end doesn't hold up. It only works partially. The appearance of morality falls under that wanting to appear progressive. Now on average I think most Dem voters are more progressive but as for the politicians themselves...unless it directly affects them they will go along with the majority. Look at the history of gay rights or the reaction to the pill epidemic for a recent example

2. Yes I am. I think in these times the appearance of being more moral and not willing to sling mud won't work against maga specifically. If the Republican party reverts ball after Trump then maybe it will. But when you got a president willing to shit on the dead simply because they ain't vote for him...trying to play the moral high ground falls flat.

3. Because I don't see it as black and white. There's a grey area that exists. And despite what many believe decisions are not directly in 1 politician's control. So when you ask questions like you did earlier like why have certain things either not been done or not had the intended impact then to not consider factors like for instance when Obama was elected members of the House and Congress publicly vowing to tank anything and everything positive and progressive he wanted can't be ignored. Things like school board elections affecting funding, redistricting in Texas and now Florida, policing policies etc...things like that aren't totally in their control so to call them incompetent or complicit in things it takes multiple parties to enact would be intentionally ignorant and misleading.

Appreciate your response

As for #3 Dems have had unified power at the federal level. Exponentially more on local levels where policy is much more directly felt yet the issues persist and remain mostly stagnant. U can't blame Republicans for that.

To my larger point while Biden had record low black unemployment it was basically offset by inflation that he had a large part in creating with federal spending. Much of which benefited large corporations long term bc that is, who I believe, is who they really care about.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

You reduced his whole argument down to that one point because it supports your narrative. Let’s talk holistically.

My point was that one of two are getting in. That’s the reality.

Yea and my point is if you only view Dems in relation to Republicans the bar never has to go any higher

 

[ChicagoFigure]

He’s smart, well read and knows this doesn’t effect him.

At this point, it’s clear that he’s a white man and he truly doesn’t give a fuck.

Don't give a fuck about what?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

So we only get bad democrat candidates because Republicans?

And are u also saying Dem voters vote against Republicans rather than for democrats policies?

No to both questions.

I'm saying that Dem candidates with better ideas have been dismissed the past three cycles because of the idea that they couldn't beat Trump in the general election.

Dem voters were voting for Dem policies no matter what. The problem is that they settled for candidates pushing the most safe options because they were led to believe that anything more "extreme" would lose against Trump.

If Trump didn't exists, maybe the establishment Dems won or maybe they wouldn't have. No one can say for sure, but the establishment Dems wouldn't have been able to use that line of attack and fear mongering.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

No to both questions.

I'm saying that Dem candidates with better ideas have been dismissed the past three cycles because of the idea that they couldn't beat Trump in the general election.

Dem voters were voting for Dem policies no matter what. The problem is that they settled for candidates pushing the most safe options because they were led to believe that anything more "extreme" would lose against Trump.

If Trump didn't exists, maybe the establishment Dems won or maybe they wouldn't have. No one can say for sure, but the establishment Dems wouldn't have been able to use that line of attack and fear mongering.

Sounds like it's the democrats fault doesn't it?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Sounds like it's the democrats fault doesn't it?

Sure.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

Sure.

Good talk

 

[TheNightKing]

Appreciate your response

As for #3 Dems have had unified power at the federal level. Exponentially more on local levels where policy is much more directly felt yet the issues persist and remain mostly stagnant. U can't blame Republicans for that.

To my larger point while Biden had record low black unemployment it was basically offset by inflation that he had a large part in creating with federal spending. Much of which benefited large corporations long term bc that is, who I believe, is who they really care about.

The whole world was in an inflationary cycle because of Covid and supply chain issues. The US rebounded quicker than every other major country and by time he left office inflation had steadied and job creation was healthy. Caveat, real prices were still high.

Now with Trump black unemployment is high, inflation is up, and job creation has slowed. And real prices are even higher, especially gas right now. All on his direct actions, not some global pandemic.

Go back to Obama. Bailed us out of Bush’s catastrophic economy. So much so everybody thought Trump’s economy was great when he just rode Obama’s wave.

See, better and worse.

 

[TheNightKing]

I will say this too. I could probably be swayed more easily to be on the two sides train with past republican candidates. But everyone knew Trump was a different breed. They were lulled into a false sense of security because his first term had mad guardrails. He made it clear during this last election he was only going to hire sycophants and all guardrails would be removed.

In the election thread many people said how bad could it be? Pointed to his first term as proof even. Totally disregarding the threat outlined by everyone else.

Trump and MAGA is absolutely not two sides.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

The whole world was in an inflationary cycle because of Covid and supply chain issues. The US rebounded quicker than every other major country and by time he left office inflation had steadied and job creation was healthy. Caveat, real prices were still high.

Just bc inflation steadies doesn't mean prices come back down, they just continue to rise at a lower rate. The damage was already done. Yes covid and supply chain and russia/Ukraine exacerbated inflation but federal spending usually has the most impact nationally which was the case under Biden.

Now with Trump black unemployment is high, inflation is up, and job creation has slowed. And real prices are even higher, especially gas right now. All on his direct actions, not some global pandemic.

Again u are making the argument trying to bail Biden out over the pandemic when his spending bills had a larger effect on inflation.

Go back to Obama. Bailed us out of Bush’s catastrophic economy. So much so everybody thought Trump’s economy was great when he just rode Obama’s wave.

See, better and worse.

Dodd frank act benefited big banks and caused financial monopolies. Many community and small banks had to close up shop hurting middle class, working class and small businesses. While it was proposed, as dem policies usually do, to help middle class, the benefits such as consumer protection was more than offset by the negative outcomes we are still dealing with today.

 

[TheNightKing]

Just bc inflation steadies doesn't mean prices come back down, they just continue to rise at a lower rate. The damage was already done. Yes covid and supply chain and russia/Ukraine exacerbated inflation but federal spending usually has the most impact nationally which was the case under Biden.

Again u are making the argument trying to bail Biden out over the pandemic when his spending bills had a larger effect on inflation.

Dodd frank act benefited big banks and caused financial monopolies. Many community and small banks had to close up shop hurting middle class, working class and small businesses. While it was proposed, as dem policies usually do, to help middle class, the benefits such as consumer protection was more than offset by the negative outcomes we are still dealing with today.

And what was that non-Covid spending on? Sorely needed infrastructure projects that employed lower and middle class? Expansion of the ACA so middle and lower class could get access to healthcare? Additional funding for HBCU’s? Student loan forgiveness?

What is Trump’s spending on? Military, tax cuts for the rich, a ballroom, etc.?

Did Obama not pass the Small Business Jobs Act, force more federal contracts to minority owned businesses, implement programs under the SBA to help minority owned businesses?

It’s easy to cherry pick and act like it was all bad and conveniently ignore the whole picture.

Bottom line, is Trump better or worse? Would you rather have Kamala, Biden, Hillary, or Obama over Trump? Or do you still think things right now would be just as bad under a Democrat, particularly for black people?

 

[ChicagoFigure]

And what was that non-Covid spending on? Sorely needed infrastructure projects that employed lower and middle class? Expansion of the ACA so middle and lower class could get access to healthcare?

What is Trump’s spending on? Military, tax cuts for the rich, a ballroom, etc.?

Did Obama not pass the Small Business Jobs Act, force more federal contracts to minority owned businesses, implement programs under the SBA to help minority owned businesses?

It’s easy to cherry pick and act like it was all bad and conveniently ignore the whole picture.

Bottom line, is Trump better or worse? Would you rather have Kamala, Biden, Hillary, or Obama over Trump? Or do you still think things right now would be just as bad, particularly for black people?

Trump's covid stimulus fucked us up. Trump's tariff wars and Iran war is fucking us up. Everything he passes that increases federal spending is fucking us up. That's my point. They all do it.

Yea dems pass policies and they sound better than what their outcomes are. Sometimes they are minimally beneficial to middle or lower classes, but somehow they are always mostly beneficial to upper classes corporations and institutions.

I already said Kamala would be better than Trump this may be the 5th time.

One of my many gripes with trump is that he would be so bad that people will be happy as hell to go back to stagnant status quo.

 

[SeaSnake]

You are smarter than this brotha


It's been applied. Bitch ass niggas was used because folks want reparations for their vote.

Dude called a whole group of black ppl bitch ass niggas because they want reparations for their vote.

Said some other things also.

Go back and read it

We gonna talk about the real stuff of black folks being disenfranchised or not man

 

[TheNightKing]

Trump's covid stimulus fucked us up. Trump's tariff wars and Iran war is fucking us up. Everything he passes that increases federal spending is fucking us up. That's my point. They all do it.

Yea dems pass policies and they sound better than what their outcomes are. Sometimes they are minimally beneficial to middle or lower classes, but somehow they are always mostly beneficial to upper classes corporations and institutions.

I already said Kamala would be better than Trump this may be the 5th time.

One of my many gripes with trump is that he would be so bad that people will be happy as hell to go back to stagnant status quo.

And that’s been part of my point. Kamala wasn’t perfect by any means, but at least there was the possibility of iterative progress. Now democrats will be working to undo Trump shit.

Then people will complain they’re not perfect, allow republicans back in, and the cycle will repeat.

Look at it as velocity towards a better country. That velocity isn’t lightning fast with democrats, but it slows or even reversed considerably when republicans, especially Trump, are allowed to gain power.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

And that’s been part of my point. Kamala wasn’t perfect by any means, but at least there was the possibility of iterative progress. Now democrats will be working to undo Trump shit.

Then people will complain they’re not perfect, allow republicans back in, and the cycle will repeat.

Look at it as velocity towards a better country. That velocity isn’t lightning fast with democrats, but it slows or even reversed considerably when republicans, especially Trump, are allowed to gain power.

Status quo makes it much easier for a guy like trump to come in with fake populist rhetoric and win.