COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

ChicagoFigure said:
The whole "at least we're not Republicans" works way more to their advantage, not their constituents. They can keep making excuses and drag people on and their supporters will take it, bc it's better than the alternative, even if it's stagnant.

And considering I see the Dems as complicit, I believe they use peoples rationalization such as yours to get away with a lot of bullshit, they just gotta play the optics game.

If voting 3rd party wasn't pointless I'd vote 3rd party every election. Correct me if I'm wrong but to you, not voting is not the problem, not voting for Democrats is.
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Again, we’re not going to act like democrats haven’t passed any legislation and policies that have helped. Have some hurt, absolutely, but they’ve actually done a lot more than republicans. They certainly, in recent history, haven’t done black people as dirty as Trump.

And as far as not voting, I think it’s lazy and cowardly. Pick a side and stand on your square, even if it’s 3rd party, although I think that’s pointless too. But at least you have skin in the game.

You live here, your family lives here, your community lives here. You going to leave it up to others to determine who sets policies that might impact them?
 
ChicagoFigure said:
Which part exactly?

And why after all these Ws that Dems delivered in the last 60+ years are the systemic issues still prevalent in black communities even tho black voter turnout has been increasing and Dems have had a stranglehold representing many of these areas?
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lol What a dumb point. The Dems aren't perfect. They for sure could do better, but Black people go backwards every time Reps are in power. If the Republican party was abolished and establishment Democrats were the worst politicians we had to deal with, Black people would unquestionably be better off. People like you are going to bash Dems whenever they get power again for whatever they don't get done, and completely ignore the fact that they are going to have to spend half their time in office digging us out of a hole the Reps dug. This happens EVERY SINGLE TIME a Republican is in office.

If you want to say the Dems are trash, that's fine, but calling them trash to refute someone else pointing out how trash the Reps are is wild.
 
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TheNightKing said:
Again, we’re not going to act like democrats haven’t passed any legislation and policies that have helped. Have some hurt, absolutely, but they’ve actually done a lot more than republicans. They certainly, in recent history, haven’t done black people as dirty as Trump.

And as far as not voting, I think it’s lazy and cowardly. Pick a side and stand on your square, even if it’s 3rd party, although I think that’s pointless too. But at least you have skin in the game.

You live here, your family lives here, your community lives here. You going to leave it up to others to determine who sets policies that might impact them?
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Lol if i vote 3rd party we are still having the same discussion..let's not pretend it actually makes a difference in this exchange or the real world.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
lol What a dumb point. The Dems aren't perfect. They for sure could do better, but Black people go backwards every time Reps are in power. If the Republican party was abolished and establishment Democrats were the worst politicians we had to deal with, Black people would unquestionably be better off. People like you are going to bash Dems whenever they get power again for whatever they don't get done, and completely ignore the fact that they are going to have to spend half their time in office digging us out of a whole the Reps dug. This happens EVERY SINGLE TIME a Republican is in office.

If you want to say the Dems are trash, that's fine, but calling them trash to refute someone else pointing out how trash the Reps are is wild.
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I dont call them trash to refute how trash the Republicans are. They are both trash. That's it that's all.

I'll ignore that u prob won't answer that question either, do u just see the Dems as this morally good force that could only be effective if Republicans just stopped getting in the way?
 
ChicagoFigure said:
I dont call them trash to refute how trash the Republicans are. They are both trash. That's it that's all.

I'll ignore that u prob won't answer that question either, do u just see the Dems as this morally good force that could only be effective if Republicans just stopped getting in the way?
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No, I don't see all Democrats as morally good. Some are good. Most of them are corrupt. That said, as part of their policies, they absolutely do push some things that would help people, and yes, Reps are the reason they don't get that stuff passed. The Reps do absolutely nothing good for anybody that isn't rich. You can believe they are both bad, and that's fine, but the reason we can't get anything better is because of the Reps. It's even why we get trash candidates like Clinton and Biden. They basically won the primaries off the belief that they had the best shot of beating Trump not because they were pushing the best policies.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
No, I don't see all Democrats as morally good. Some are good. Most of them are corrupt. That said, as part of their policies, they absolutely do push some things that would help people, and yes, Reps are the reason they don't get that stuff passed. The Reps do absolutely nothing good for anybody that isn't rich. You can believe they are both bad, and that's fine, but the reason we can't get anything better is because of the Reps. It's even why we get trash candidates like Clinton and Biden. They basically won the primaries off the belief that they had the best shot of beating Trump not because they were pushing the best policies.
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So we only get bad democrat candidates because Republicans?

And are u also saying Dem voters vote against Republicans rather than for democrats policies?
 


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Tayboo said:
I don't want to see shit about no got damn FBA when the landmark legislation our people died for has been completely gutted. Talking about some reparations when we can't even keep the foundation our people fought for intact.
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I hear you loud and clear. You’re pissed that the core civil rights laws Black Americans bled and died for in the 1960s are getting chipped away by courts and policy shifts, while some folks keep yelling about reparations.

Federal reparations (cash transfers or massive programs targeted by race/lineage) have zero serious momentum currently.
 
Knock_Twice said:
Man stop @me to stuff. I'on give a shit. Yall do. So yall go and cast votes. I said my truth on this shit many of times. Dayum.

Go out and vote when election comes. That's the best way to try and make the change that you all wanna see.

Whatever changes that YOU ALL wanna see happened, go vote and hope your candidate wins and hope the changes are made.

Stop crying to me dayum. Nigga I aint yo woman.

Go Cry to your mama, some of you niggas are over 40 doing this siht. Out loud, whining every day in this hoe about some shit that's gonna be.
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lol stop crying. I tagged you because you go so hard about black voting power but quiet as fuck when the shit gets fucked with. They making niggas sit out like you want tho.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
So we only get bad democrat candidates because Republicans?

And are u also saying Dem voters vote against Republicans rather than for democrats policies?
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You have a problem with the reality of our system. It’s a two party system so of course there are times people vote against republicans. There’s also times they vote for democrat policies. A lot of times it’s both.

I’d rather operate in the reality of the potential consequences than have my head in the clouds, waiting on the perfect moral candidate.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
No gotchas just genuinely trying to understand your viewpoint

1) when u say "by morality I mean the appearance of it..." Are u saying their morality is more superficial than it is substantive?

2) "when they go low we go high" won't get it done, are u saying the 'old way' is still getting in the way today?

3) if u don't see them as incompetent how can u genuinely not see them as complicit?
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1. I agree with the that they also seek to maintain power. I think they do it by trying to appeal to a progressive side as opposed to conservatives who would rather go backwards in time. Where I split with the "both sides" is the impact of the decisions made under that strive to appear more progressive which is why i say that following both sides logic to the end doesn't hold up. It only works partially. The appearance of morality falls under that wanting to appear progressive. Now on average I think most Dem voters are more progressive but as for the politicians themselves...unless it directly affects them they will go along with the majority. Look at the history of gay rights or the reaction to the pill epidemic for a recent example

2. Yes I am. I think in these times the appearance of being more moral and not willing to sling mud won't work against maga specifically. If the Republican party reverts ball after Trump then maybe it will. But when you got a president willing to shit on the dead simply because they ain't vote for him...trying to play the moral high ground falls flat.

3. Because I don't see it as black and white. There's a grey area that exists. And despite what many believe decisions are not directly in 1 politician's control. So when you ask questions like you did earlier like why have certain things either not been done or not had the intended impact then to not consider factors like for instance when Obama was elected members of the House and Congress publicly vowing to tank anything and everything positive and progressive he wanted can't be ignored. Things like school board elections affecting funding, redistricting in Texas and now Florida, policing policies etc...things like that aren't totally in their control so to call them incompetent or complicit in things it takes multiple parties to enact would be intentionally ignorant and misleading.
 
TheNightKing said:
You have a problem with the reality of our system. It’s a two party system so of course there are times people vote against republicans. There’s also times they vote for democrat policies. A lot of times it’s both.

I’d rather operate in the reality of the potential consequences than have my head in the clouds, waiting on the perfect moral candidate.
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Of course I have a problem with the reality of our system why wouldn't I?

So the only reason we get bad democrats is bc Republicans? But when we get good democrats it's bc the democrats?

This is how u guys compute?
 
SeaSnake said:
lol stop crying. I tagged you because you go so hard about black voting power but quiet as fuck when the shit gets fucked with. They making niggas sit out like you want tho.
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Man I've always said vote...do you.

I just know black folks are on some other shit that you are on
 
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