@ Non East Coast Posters, Do You Have TM101 Ranked Over..

konceptjones said:
Nah, I'm trying to understand how it seems that almost nobody in the souf was fuckin' with that album. Like, I get it if there were no singles dropped, but y'all wasn't hearing them joints on the radio? It's really fascinating to me in a way that goes beyond the stated nature of this thread. As a DJ and someone that was actively trying to get some shit dropped back in those days I thought I had a pretty good grasp of how certain shit was "regional", but something like OB4CL was getting spins at a nationwide level, or so I thought.

So y'all below The Mason-Dixon Line really didn't hear Raekwon on the radio?
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My sister had Wu Tang album and most the music she listened to was east coast in the 90s but a lot of people do not consider this Deep South. But def remember hearing ghost face in the radio in the 2000s.

Only southern stuff we heard like that tha was rap was mostly after cash money.

I do remember hearing Lil Troy wanna be balls but I didn’t know where he was from
 
SeaSnake said:
My sister had Wu Tang album and most the music she listened to was east coast in the 90s but a lot of people do not consider this Deep South. But def remember hearing ghost face in the radio in the 2000s.

Only southern stuff we heard like that tha was rap was mostly after cash money.

I do remember hearing Lil Troy wanna be balls but I didn’t know where he was from
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And that's wild to me 'cause me and the crew in Tha D had a LOT of rap from across the south back then.
 
BlackRain said:
The funniest shit about this is...this topic is actually covered in the show about Wu Tang when they went on their 1st tour about their reception in the south. So there's an actual answer to this already
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I didn’t want whole interview I assume they got good reviews in the south. I mean they are a world know entity.

Like if a Bone Thugs did a tour in 1995 I know they sold out all over
 
Knock_Twice said:
I'm not dissing his album. I haven't heard it. I was just going over how his album came out in 1995 and in real time how the album was accepted in the South, West in real time.

I'm sure it's a good album, I've seen it listed on on folks list it is a good album.

I'm not taking nothing away from the album's content, or quality of it or the artist skills. It was just a time when that album dropped that I was somewhat reflecting on.

Goldie makes these type of threads and I enjoy them because it takes me back to the real time of when things actually happened and how the scene was for certain albums and things

Especially with albums that folks now in 2026 look at as classic,
Almost like saying, I remember when you was a fat kid that got no hoes, now look at you at x age, you're the man getting all the hoes, even my chick loves you, but I remember when nobody used to fuck with you, etc.

Just recapturing the essence of things that happened in real time.

But it's no diss to the album or anything, I never heard it and I prolly will give it a spin next month some time
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My brother in Christ,

I say this with the upmost respect.
1. Just because because the album didnt get spins in the west and south does not take away from the album at all. Field Mob album first album got minimal spins and I consider it a classic (I dont expect everyone else to).

2) YOU AINT EVEN LISTEN TO IT YET!
I heard it for the first time within the last 5 years and can say the hype around it when it dropped was well deserved.
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Raekwon wasnt my cup of tea, but I remember this album buzzing in the media and I was only 9 in Northern California.

Maybe its me and my aging. But the "It didnt make noise around here" rhetoric really grinds my gears and I used to use it a lot.
 
SeaSnake said:
I didn’t want whole interview I assume they got good reviews in the south. I mean they are a world know entity.

Like if a Bone Thugs did a tour in 1995 I know they sold out all over
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I mean that was basically it. They built their rep outside of NY by touring heavy. Their album was popular as hell, but touring really got people outside of NY to know them. Hell Raekwon was living in Atlanta by the mid-late 90s himself already
 
Turf said:
My brother in Christ,

I say this with the upmost respect.
1. Just because because the album didnt get spins in the west and south does not take away from the album at all. Field Mob album first album got minimal spins and I consider it a classic (I dont expect everyone else to).

2) YOU AINT EVEN LISTEN TO IT YET!
I heard it for the first time within the last 5 years and can say the hype around it when it dropped was well deserved.
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Raekwon wasnt my cup of tea, but I remember this album buzzing in the media and I was only 9 in Northern California.

Maybe its me and my aging. But the "It didnt make noise around here" rhetoric really grinds my gears and I used to use it a lot.
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I had several homeboys who were really heavy on everything wu... And I listened to a lot off of GP. And I supported the wu wear clothing... That was a big deal as well.. Ice cream was a top tier track. And OBFCL was a classic album that got multiple play throughs.

I'm not going to ever try to down talk a classic like that to big up something else....

But I was driving when TM 101.... Often riding solo. And TM was one of those CDs that got heavy rotation. I never even thought to cop Cuban Links to add to the rotation. I definitely downloaded it when downloading music got hot, and it was sprinkled into the rotation after that....

But not in a start to finish way like it woulda been with the CD or tape.. That's why it's easier for me to say TM, cuz it was definitely one of those beginning to end albums that I played pretty regularly.

But I also have no idea where y'all at in the conversation. I just figured I post this.

No thanks necessary... You're welcome
 
BlackRain said:
You're trying to speak for not only 1 but 2 entire regions where even among those regions there's differences in what they were exposed to and got access to musically based on proximity, relatives traveling etc. Your taste and what you got exposed to is yours. That doesn't apply unilaterally across the board
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I am speaking from a lens of 1995, not from 2026 or whenever you started to listen to rap without.

1995 the south and west coast was not fucking with Raekown brotha and you're speaking from a stance to say that they were when you didn't travel in either region often as I did, so how would you know what's being played in 1995?

Do you even know the space where black folks would listen to music at in 1995?

In 1995, your average 17 old Boy and Girl would not in either region be walking into a store and purchasing a Raekown album brotha.

I asked KC what would make a 11 year buy his album that's from the South?

I asked you what would make a 10 year girl buy his album that's living in the South and West Coast,

West Coast cats 17-24 in 1995 wasn't listening to east coast rappers like that, the majority, for one there was an East Coast vs West Coast thing going on and folks took sides, even folks in the south took sides, and folks in the South

If you wanna hang your hat on the 3 people that you can say from both regions that listened to his albums, by all means do so, but the MAJORITY, 95% of folks in both regions weren't listening to no dayum Raekown album
 
Turf said:
My brother in Christ,

I say this with the upmost respect.
1. Just because because the album didnt get spins in the west and south does not take away from the album at all. Field Mob album first album got minimal spins and I consider it a classic (I dont expect everyone else to).

2) YOU AINT EVEN LISTEN TO IT YET!
I heard it for the first time within the last 5 years and can say the hype around it when it dropped was well deserved.
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Raekwon wasnt my cup of tea, but I remember this album buzzing in the media and I was only 9 in Northern California.

Maybe its me and my aging. But the "It didnt make noise around here" rhetoric really grinds my gears and I used to use it a lot.
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Respect,

I will have to disagree brotha, and again, I'm not dissing the album, none of my posts are indicating that the album is a bad album just because we didn't bump it.

I'm just putting the timeline and scenery together on how the album was received when it came out in 1995


Let's do this, go a little deeper

That album dropped on July 28th 1995, and BG. Knock Out album came out the following 2 weeks, if I was a betting person, your average 17 year old and under in 1995 wouldn't cop a Raekow album who they have clue of about in a sense vs copping a BG Knock Out album who is from the West Coast who they are familiar about.

More folks in both regions were bumping Bone's 2nd album which came out the Tuesday before Rae album came out...so we are to believe that they waited for Rae album to drop on the 28th?

Here's what I believe, folks copped Bone's album which had bigger singles than Rae's and then folks copped BG Knock Out album in 1995, We are sticking in 1995, not 2026.
 
Knock_Twice said:
I am speaking from a lens of 1995, not from 2026 or whenever you started to listen to rap without.

1995 the south and west coast was not fucking with Raekown brotha and you're speaking from a stance to say that they were when you didn't travel in either region often as I did, so how would you know what's being played in 1995?

Do you even know the space where black folks would listen to music at in 1995?

In 1995, your average 17 old Boy and Girl would not in either region be walking into a store and purchasing a Raekown album brotha.

I asked KC what would make a 11 year buy his album that's from the South?

I asked you what would make a 10 year girl buy his album that's living in the South and West Coast,

West Coast cats 17-24 in 1995 wasn't listening to east coast rappers like that, the majority, for one there was an East Coast vs West Coast thing going on and folks took sides, even folks in the south took sides, and folks in the South

If you wanna hang your hat on the 3 people that you can say from both regions that listened to his albums, by all means do so, but the MAJORITY, 95% of folks in both regions weren't listening to no dayum Raekown album
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None of this word salad disputes what I said. You weren't everywhere, talking to everyone, and in everyone's headphones to know what they was listening to. In the areas you hung out in what you're saying may have been true. That doesn't speak to the majority though. It just speaks to you. I mean shit by 1995 Ice Cube was already deep into working with The Bomb Squad which were Public Eneme's producers. You think that shit happened by accident or because East Coast rappers and producers music was being heard and listened to all over as they were still the most dominant force then? Method Man has spoken on how by then he was already heavily out in LA working, how he ended up working with Kurupt for the song that ended up on All Eyez On Me. Music spread much further than you're giving it credit for. Nobody is saying Raekwon was running the south or west, but you trying to paint the picture as if nobody in those regions was listening to him til 2011 is just flat out a lie. Especially when there's literally evidence to the contrary
 
In 1995 let's just do this, let's just see or use logic on what folks would copped, Using some metrics, college students, street dudes, and your 17 and Under folks

West Coast, had Bone album to go and cop the Tuesday before Rae came out and had BG knockout album to go and cop 2 weeks after Rae's album came out... Street Dudes from the West Coast, how would they know about a Reakown? We talking in 1995, when we are in the prime of Death Row and snoop and other West Coast cats albums being dropped and songs being played on their radio station.

2pac
E-40
C-Bo
Too Short
Bone Thugs
BG Knock
Master P
South Central Cartel
The Alkoholics
Dre. Dog
Mack 10
MC Breed
Skee-lo
Coolio
The Click
The Dog Pound
Cypress Hill

I maybe missing some more folks but all of these folks dropped albums in 1995, some of these acts had big singles, To even be on some, folks on the West Coast were bumping Rae album is crazy when all of these West Coast acts dropped in that year.

The average teenager wasn't buying albums like that, so let's get that thought outta your heads. Aint nobody girl or boy under 17 is asking for a Rae album.
 
BlackRain said:
None of this word salad disputes what I said. You weren't everywhere, talking to everyone, and in everyone's headphones to know what they was listening to. In the areas you hung out in what you're saying may have been true. That doesn't speak to the majority though. It just speaks to you. I mean shit by 1995 Ice Cube was already deep into working with The Bomb Squad which were Public Eneme's producers. You think that shit happened by accident or because East Coast rappers and producers music was being heard and listened to all over as they were still the most dominant force then? Method Man has spoken on how by then he was already heavily out in LA working, how he ended up working with Kurupt for the song that ended up on All Eyez On Me. Music spread much further than you're giving it credit for. Nobody is saying Raekwon was running the south or west, but you trying to paint the picture as if nobody in those regions was listening to him til 2011 is just flat out a lie. Especially when there's literally evidence to the contrary
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Brotha, you're drifting off to something else, In 1995, your average teenager or rap fan, from the streets to the college dorm room in these 2 regions in 1995 wasn't bumping no dayum Raekown.

I aint even saying any of what you're trying to make me out to say. I couldn't name you 12 people in 1995 that was listening to Rae's album brotha in either coast.
 
Knock_Twice said:
Brotha, you're drifting off to something else, In 1995, your average teenager or rap fan, from the streets to the college dorm room in these 2 regions in 1995 wasn't bumping no dayum Raekown.

I aint even saying any of what you're trying to make me out to say. I couldn't name you 12 people in 1995 that was listening to Rae's album brotha in either coast.
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Lol that's your problem. You keep thinking only from your pov. Just because you can't or weren't doing something doesn't mean everyone else was the same.
 
Knock_Twice said:
I am speaking from a lens of 1995, not from 2026 or whenever you started to listen to rap without.

1995 the south and west coast was not fucking with Raekown brotha and you're speaking from a stance to say that they were when you didn't travel in either region often as I did, so how would you know what's being played in 1995?

Do you even know the space where black folks would listen to music at in 1995?

In 1995, your average 17 old Boy and Girl would not in either region be walking into a store and purchasing a Raekown album brotha.

I asked KC what would make a 11 year buy his album that's from the South?

I asked you what would make a 10 year girl buy his album that's living in the South and West Coast,

West Coast cats 17-24 in 1995 wasn't listening to east coast rappers like that, the majority, for one there was an East Coast vs West Coast thing going on and folks took sides, even folks in the south took sides, and folks in the South

If you wanna hang your hat on the 3 people that you can say from both regions that listened to his albums, by all means do so, but the MAJORITY, 95% of folks in both regions weren't listening to no dayum Raekown album
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It just hit me: You're also speaking through the lens of someone that was a teenager in those days. I'd be willing to bet that the cats around my age back then (23 when the album dropped) were, in fact, copping the album down that way; you probably weren't aware of it due to your age and the circles you were in.
 
BlackRain said:
None of this word salad disputes what I said. You weren't everywhere, talking to everyone, and in everyone's headphones to know what they was listening to. In the areas you hung out in what you're saying may have been true. That doesn't speak to the majority though. It just speaks to you. I mean shit by 1995 Ice Cube was already deep into working with The Bomb Squad which were Public Eneme's producers. You think that shit happened by accident or because East Coast rappers and producers music was being heard and listened to all over as they were still the most dominant force then? Method Man has spoken on how by then he was already heavily out in LA working, how he ended up working with Kurupt for the song that ended up on All Eyez On Me. Music spread much further than you're giving it credit for. Nobody is saying Raekwon was running the south or west, but you trying to paint the picture as if nobody in those regions was listening to him til 2011 is just flat out a lie. Especially when there's literally evidence to the contrary
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Brotha,

I couldn't gather up 20 chicks in both regions combined that went out and copped a Raekown album in 1995. That's Chicks.

Street cats weren't listening to this dude's album...and again, you mentioned walkman, let's start here, what 15 year old is walking around in 1995 on the West Coast or in the South listening to Raekown's album??

Let's do this, when would you even listen to your walkman?? Cuz in 1995, you couldn't listen to it at school, the teachers would take it away, you had to buy the 'tape' by the way, so what 15 year old mama or daddy is buying or bringing to the store to cop a Raekown album in 1995, when I gave you a list of albums that came out in 1995?

On that list that listed in my previous post, there are several West Coast artist and before a West Coast teenager especially a kid buy an album, they would buy an album by someone that they are familiar with. Not a Raekwon album who they are NOT familiar with


And in 1995, kids were buying the albums that were popular in their area, with their money and they would buy 'singles' of the songs buy their favorite artist.


How folks cop albums every weekend, that wasn't the case with your average kid or teenager, or person unless you're over 30. Kids didn't have a bunch of cassette albums, they had a bunch cassette tapes with singles in 1995 brotha
 
konceptjones said:
It just hit me: You're also speaking through the lens of someone that was a teenager in those days. I'd be willing to bet that the cats around my age back then (23 when the album dropped) were, in fact, copping the album down that way; you probably weren't aware of it due to your age and the circles you were in.
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No.

Again, in 1995,

Look at the list of albums that came out in that year 1995, artist mainly from the West Coast (who was killing the charts) and local southern artists.

Cats that were 23 down here were into Texas music, Suave House, Cash Money, West Coast, or the Bone, Midwest cats, in regards to 'buying' albums.

A Raekown was not being copped by your average 23 year old. Again this was no hate or diss to the brotha's album.

In 1995, in order for you to even get someone to cop your album, you had to have a banging ass single out on the radio or you would have had to been on someone song etc.

That's how the Dayton Family got poping down here, they were on Master P compilation and their song stood out and folks down here starting fucking with them heavy

It's a reason why nobody on this board even knows who the Dayton Family is, maybe 1 or 2 cats, but they are never listed or talked bout.

Again, I'm speaking from 1995 era, not today's mindset

Master P made niggas buy CDs every week, so that wasn't a thing back in the day... Folks wasn't going to the store in 1995 copping CDs every week. Black Folks I'm talking bout...rap CDs,

Your parents maybe did that, with R&B and Gospel and Blues and shit, but no 23 year old in 1995 was doing that.. until P made you do it...
 
Knock_Twice said:
Brotha,

I couldn't gather up 20 chicks in both regions combined that went out and copped a Raekown album in 1995. That's Chicks.

Street cats weren't listening to this dude's album...and again, you mentioned walkman, let's start here, what 15 year old is walking around in 1995 on the West Coast or in the South listening to Raekown's album??

Let's do this, when would you even listen to your walkman?? Cuz in 1995, you couldn't listen to it at school, the teachers would take it away, you had to buy the 'tape' by the way, so what 15 year old mama or daddy is buying or bringing to the store to cop a Raekown album in 1995, when I gave you a list of albums that came out in 1995?

On that list that listed in my previous post, there are several West Coast artist and before a West Coast teenager especially a kid buy an album, they would buy an album by someone that they are familiar with. Not a Raekwon album who they are NOT familiar with


And in 1995, kids were buying the albums that were popular in their area, with their money and they would buy 'singles' of the songs buy their favorite artist.


How folks cop albums every weekend, that wasn't the case with your average kid or teenager, or person unless you're over 30. Kids didn't have a bunch of cassette albums, they had a bunch cassette tapes with singles in 1995 brotha
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You didn't always have to "buy" tapes back then. Making copies with a dual cassette deck was a thing and had been for over a decade in '95. We made copies for each other back in middle school and high school. The only money we needed to spend was on blank tapes.

I gotta know tho... How old were you in '95?
 
BlackRain said:
Lol that's your problem. You keep thinking only from your pov. Just because you can't or weren't doing something doesn't mean everyone else was the same.
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Let's come from this angle

In 1995, Freak Nic was big, Do you really think folks (chicks included) came down to ATL and was bumping Raekown music in 1995?? Like the folks that were in the South, do you believe that they were pulling up to Freak Nic bumping Raekon? Folks out of FL, LA, MS, TX, GA, NC, SC, in droves?

I've never heard anybody or seen anybody from the South pop into their car cassette tape deck that Raekon album lol

Even the drive down to ATL to go to freak nic, nobody in the South is doing that in the summer of 1996
 
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