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I didn't own one either, unless you wanna count the lil Fisher Price joint that I could swipe from my younger sisters room:

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I did have a dual cassette boom box of my own that I got for Christmas when I was 14 or 15 and by the time I was back in school at 16 I had a walkman. Back then I was taping shit off the radio, but when I got that Eric B and Rakim joint I made a copy on cassette using my folks' stereo on my day off while they were at work. I bought significantly more tapes than vinyl back then (something I stated maybe a week or so ago in the Physical Media thread), and I kept them in my room. If I played any rap shit out loud in my room, it was usually the positive shit like BDP, Rakim, Public Enemy, KC Flightt, and others so if moms came in my room and heard it she wouldn't trip over it.

So, lemme get this straight: y'all had a Walkman but never bought tapes??? Y'all ain't sneak to buy shit and hide it in your rooms??? 'Cause I know my moms found my Too $hort and 2 Live Crew tapes that I had bought when I was 16, listened to them, and confiscated them telling me I didn't need to be listening to such "filth". A week later I swiped them back from their room; she hid them in a dresser drawer.

As for what single did Raekwon drop that y'all listened to? Dunno, I was still in Metro Detroit in them days, and, yeah... Glaciers of Ice and, particularly, Ice Cream was in rotation on the radio out this way; Ice Cream being the more popular of the two.

I can't speak on y'alls listening and purchasing habits in the souf back then, but I do find it odd that y'all wasn't buying your own tapes in those days as teenagers.


If you didn't have a banging ass 'lead' single, and you wasn't from the Southern region or West Coast area, that shit wasn't getting played. The only reason that I heard of the Dayton Family "again my siblings and cousins/uncles" in real time back in the 90s was from off of Master P's album. Their song was one of the stand out songs off that cassette that made folks in the south fuck with them. I haven't heard anybody on this board even mention nor post a song by the Dayton Family and them dude used to roll back in the day.


But nah, off that album Raekon, that shit wasn't getting run down here in real time. I couldn't name you 2 people who played that album. Again, where would that album be played, let alone the singles? At the park? Nope, At a family function, Nope, middle school, high school party? Nope
College frat party, Nope, in the city's club, Nope. Hoes wasn't playing it. Barbershops? Nope lol

The only time that shit may have been played was as I stated, a nigga from the tri-state area or up North who so happened to come down here for school HBCU and he was rocking that shit in his dorm, all while being clowned for playing that shit or being dismissed.


It was just so much better music locally and regional to be played over your Raekons. No diss or anything. You really had to have a banger lead single that got spins on the radio, that had folks talking to even have your shit played down here in 1995.
 
Your dad had to buy it, Most parents in the early 90s, mid 90s didn't even fuck with rap music like that, what kid in the south is taking their allowance money or birthday money, going to Circuit City to buy a Raekon album? to bring home to listen to in their walkman?

Most kids (black) didn't have CD players like that lol. (Remember Martin and that EP when they stole his CD player) Martin paid 500 hunnid dollars for a CD player in 1995, "Another hunnid you could have gotten this is what he told Pam, and she had gotten a raise lol" what 9 year old kid is getting a CD player? lol, that shit was rare, but I'm not saying that kids didn't get them for Christmas, but it was rare. We had walkmans And as a 9 year old black kid, where are you even listening to a Raekow album at? And who are you telling this shit too? cuz most kids back in the 90s, when we actually heard a new song or a tight song, we would brag about it to our friends or the niggas and chicks at school?

What chick is buying a Raekon album that's under 15 years old?

Come on man... That nigga shit aint get no burn down here in real time. Aint no kid asking their parents to bring them to the store, spend their allowance or birthday money on a fucking Raekon album in the South in 1995.

Most kids were buying 'singles' in 1995

My brother and I got a Sega cd for Christmas in 94 and shared a walkman in 95. We weren’t listenin to Wutang like that but listened to a lot of west coast rap at the time.

We had nobody really to talk to about the albums but each other cuz like you said, most kids weren’t allowed to listen to that shit
 
Nah, I'm trying to understand how it seems that almost nobody in the souf was fuckin' with that album. Like, I get it if there were no singles dropped, but y'all wasn't hearing them joints on the radio? It's really fascinating to me in a way that goes beyond the stated nature of this thread. As a DJ and someone that was actively trying to get some shit dropped back in those days I thought I had a pretty good grasp of how certain shit was "regional", but something like OB4CL was getting spins at a nationwide level, or so I thought.

So y'all below The Mason-Dixon Line really didn't hear Raekwon on the radio?

Brotha like I stated, Raekon, most niggas in the south got on Raekon for his music music was when he got on Ross track. Hood niggas weren't on Raekon. lol

And again it's no diss to the brotha.

I got on Wu-tung through @AP,

He was the 1st dude that I met that acutally brought the Wu-tang album, the bees and I remember clowning the shit outta him for listening to it.

You wasn't the cool kid if you listened to anything outside of the South, West or Midwest, you were odd.

Wayne got clowned by Baby and other N.O. dudes for bumping Jay back in 97 lol. and that nigga somehow (I don't know) was prolly the only nigga at his age listening to his shit, his own ppl clowned him.
 
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Brotha like I stated, Raekon, most niggas in the south got on Raekon for his music music was when he got on Ross track. Hood niggas weren't on Raekon. lol

And again it's no diss to the brotha.

I got on Wu-tung through @AP,

He was the 1st dude that I met that acutally brought the Wu-tang album, the bees and I remember clowning the shit outta him for listening to it.

You wasn't the cool kid if you listened to anything outside of the South, West or Midwest, you were odd.

Wayne got clowned by Baby and other N.O. dudes for bumping Jay back in 97 lol. and that nigga somehow (I don't know) was prolly the only nigga at his age listened to his shit, his own ppl clowned him.

If you're talking about Molasses that dropped in 2011. Outkast had Raekwon on Skew It On The Bar-B in 1998 and that was a pretty successful single. People in the south knew of Raekwon. How frequent they bumped his music likely changes based on where, but he wasn't some unknown random person to rap fans in the south. WuTang as a whole was already massive by the late 90s.
 
I didn't own one either, unless you wanna count the lil Fisher Price joint that I could swipe from my younger sisters room:

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I did have a dual cassette boom box of my own that I got for Christmas when I was 14 or 15 and by the time I was back in school at 16 I had a walkman. Back then I was taping shit off the radio, but when I got that Eric B and Rakim joint I made a copy on cassette using my folks' stereo on my day off while they were at work. I bought significantly more tapes than vinyl back then (something I stated maybe a week or so ago in the Physical Media thread), and I kept them in my room. If I played any rap shit out loud in my room, it was usually the positive shit like BDP, Rakim, Public Enemy, KC Flightt, and others so if moms came in my room and heard it she wouldn't trip over it.

So, lemme get this straight: y'all had a Walkman but never bought tapes??? Y'all ain't sneak to buy shit and hide it in your rooms??? 'Cause I know my moms found my Too $hort and 2 Live Crew tapes that I had bought when I was 16, listened to them, and confiscated them telling me I didn't need to be listening to such "filth". A week later I swiped them back from their room; she hid them in a dresser drawer.

As for what single did Raekwon drop that y'all listened to? Dunno, I was still in Metro Detroit in them days, and, yeah... Glaciers of Ice and, particularly, Ice Cream was in rotation on the radio out this way; Ice Cream being the more popular of the two.

I can't speak on y'alls listening and purchasing habits in the souf back then, but I do find it odd that y'all wasn't buying your own tapes in those days as teenagers.


Most teenagers (girls) brought 'singles' which was 1.99 a pop, they would buy an album if it was their favorite artist, like your TLCs, Aaliyah's, Immature, etc.

That's why your single could go Gold or Platinum alone and outsell your album because we used to buy singles off that album, or dub the shit off the radio, the cheap way..

I said sneakin because at 9, 8, your average black kid living in the middle class wasn't listening to rap music unless they had older siblings or cousins and even then they had to sneak because most black parents weren't listening to that shit.

I can say I came from the lower class, and those rules didn't apply because you'll be outside playing or in the yard and you'll have that 16 year old kid who has that 19 year cousin or brother trying to hook up their cassette deck and they'll be bumping the music outside, while everybody is outside playing or watching them hook the shit up in the yard or along the street curb....so you'll hear the music then, but to say in your mama house, you blasting that shit all willy nilly, all hell nah lol, not in the south, that church going mama aint having that shit... lol


Most teenagers (girls and boys) weren't buying Toni Braxton, Peebles albums your Tony Toni Tone, your Anglea Winbush,etc albums in the 90s,
Grown R&B music was for your parents, we just heard the shit on the radio when we had to ride in the car with them and shit, in the 90s, we were more so on the kid/teen rap and Snoop Dog., Kris Kross, ABC Like the shit is deep.
Hard core rap wasn't in the homes of your average black household unless you was around that environment. Snoop, 2pac, for your average homeowner black was like the basic hardcore rap that was heard by someone under 13 and that shit was heard on the radio, unless they had older siblings.

You wasn't walking in a black house and hearing your Lil Kim Hard Core album being played lol

Hell her poster when she came out, you couldn't have that shit all in the open all willy nilly at school.... Now you may can, but in the 90s, we treated that shit at school like it was the front page of Playboy lol.

It comes off as me hating but I'm not, that's why you see in interviews NOW that southern artist or folks from the south will say, man we really weren't on your Jay-z and Nas of the worlds in real time.. or your Raekons... etc.

I think dude has a nice album, all I'm saying is that shit wasn't played in the Southern region or West Coast region in real time
 
If you're talking about Molasses that dropped in 2011. Outkast had Raekwon on Skew It On The Bar-B in 1998 and that was a pretty successful single. People in the south knew of Raekwon. How frequent they bumped his music likely changes based on where, but he wasn't some unknown random person to rap fans in the south. WuTang as a whole was already massive by the late 90s.

Well let me just say it like this, in 1998, your average 16 year or 17 and under in the south couldn't name you 2 Raekwon songs if you asked them to, and I say it this because he didn't have anything that niggas in the south at that age could chew on to say "oh that's ole dude that has this song out that we still play"

Outkast was prolly a big fan of his, had to been, I'm sure nobody from ATL was asking for them to feature Raekwon on any of their 90s albums, the most known Wu-Tang members at that time were ODB and Method Man from niggas in the south at that time.

Niggas in the South knew ODB from Mariah Carey remix and other stuff, they knew Method from his MJB single and other stuff, again, it was nothing that Raekwon had out that made niggas be on some, yea we need that Raekwon feature, I think Outkast meshes with his style or they can be put into the same unorthodox box as a Raekwon, when it comes rapping.
 
Once again no diss......

But what im taking away from the last few post is people are casting judgement on an album they've never even heard.

Hearing it today or even just recently versus hearing it when it was new is a completely different thing too. Hip hop was different in those days. Shit had a whole different vibe so it hit completely different than it would 20-230 years later.

I think this is one way that growing up in Detroit was different from being from the east coast or the south 'cause we were truly listening to everything. The west was like that in some way as well.

In Detroit we were fuckin with the south heavy in the late 80's and 90's. Cats like Tony MF Rock, MC Shy D, Kilo G, Success-n-Effect, Geto Boys (even when they were known as The Ghetto Boys), Raheem, Poison Clan, Disco Rick and The Dogs, 2 Live Crew, Clay D, MC ADE, etc were gettin' played while I was in high school. In college and beyond you had 8 Ball and MJG, the whole Suave House roster, and a grip of artists from all over the south bangin' out of cars and in parks all over SE Michigan.

(edit) I've owned this tape since '88. One of my boys let me peep it in the lunch room and I copped it on the way home from school that day.

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My brother and I got a Sega cd for Christmas in 94 and shared a walkman in 95. We weren’t listenin to Wutang like that but listened to a lot of west coast rap at the time.

We had nobody really to talk to about the albums but each other cuz like you said, most kids weren’t allowed to listen to that shit


Same with me, we had 2 walkmans to share, my sisters had their own, and I had to 'steal' or sneak to listen to my cousins and brothers shit. And that's how I would listen to the hardcore music, I couldn't go out and ask my mama to buy me the new Dayton Family album etc. lol

Most black families were on that Delories Tucker type vibe, they didn't say it all loud like her but they felt that rap music contributed to the violence around the area. That was around the time, politicians wanted to censor rap and wanted the 3 strike rule and shit etc etc.

Some parents weren't as strict like DT, mines just couldn't stand it but they never not allowed us to listen to the shit...
They just didn't understand it really, mines...but you had some parents who thought it brought on violence etc...no diss.

But the walkman shit, I had to share the shit, we got walkmans either for Christmas or as a birthday present and that shit was a real deal.... I wasn't listening to Wu-Tang as I stated, AP was the first fuck nigga to put me on that shit and I clowned him for listening to it...

I was in awe that the nigga knew all the wu-tang members, and shit, but he was the ONLY dude that I knew who copped their CDs, I think it was a double disc, and that fuck nigga tried to play me ever song on that shit...

I got the Super Nintendo in 95. My 1st album I bought or rather stole was Kris Kross Da Bomb....
 
Once again no diss......

But what im taking away from the last few post is people are casting judgement on an album they've never even heard.

I'm not dissing his album. I haven't heard it. I was just going over how his album came out in 1995 and in real time how the album was accepted in the South, West in real time.

I'm sure it's a good album, I've seen it listed on on folks list it is a good album.

I'm not taking nothing away from the album's content, or quality of it or the artist skills. It was just a time when that album dropped that I was somewhat reflecting on.

Goldie makes these type of threads and I enjoy them because it takes me back to the real time of when things actually happened and how the scene was for certain albums and things

Especially with albums that folks now in 2026 look at as classic,
Almost like saying, I remember when you was a fat kid that got no hoes, now look at you at x age, you're the man getting all the hoes, even my chick loves you, but I remember when nobody used to fuck with you, etc.

Just recapturing the essence of things that happened in real time.

But it's no diss to the album or anything, I never heard it and I prolly will give it a spin next month some time
 
And for my 9th birthday, the first CD I ever bought using my money (my dad actually bought it in the store) was Eazy E-Straight off tha Streetz of Muthaphukkin Compton


A lot of deep southerners don’t consider us the south. I know it does not make any logical sense but rarely at least when it comes to rap do they view us as part of the southern vibe
 
I think folks are taking the albums that folks deem as genius albums and comparing them to the simple albums that made an impact in a major region and casting an overview of how other folks from other areas of the country didn't go crazy over said genius album.

TM101 was a movement compared to what Raekon album did when it dropped. TM101 stopped time here in the south.

For Example, Nas album, his 1st one, I made a post or thread on how I couldn't find 10 people in the South that bumped that album, but if you ask the average podcaster or radio head in one of these tri-states or anybody for that matter in 2026, they may very well talk about how good that album was or rank it as Nas best album, when in real time, that album go no burn in places in the South and on the West coast, in real time

It more so (to me) have to do with 'impact' in the South or other areas vs the quality of the albums that may be compared.

Hot Boyz dropped Gurella Warefare in the Summer of 1999, in the south, that album stopped time, now compare it to that Nas album or Jay-Z Reasonable Doubt, folks in the South would pick GW over Nas 1st album, now is it a better album that Nas? I don't know, I, personally haven't heard Nas 1st album, but I ran GW until the tape popped that 99 summer.

It just to me when these topics are brought up, (I love them) it makes me go back into real time to really get the essence of how the music scene really was when the albums or singles dropped.

You still have folks in 2026 thinking Jay-Z Reasonable Doubt was a big album when it dropped in real time, when it wasn't

All of Master P albums especially Ghetto D was more Impactful than any of Jayz albums before Hard Knock Life, Nas or any rapper from the tri-state area not named Biggie, Mase or DMX


About the impact part are we forgetting NYC and east coast impact on hip hop for years nyc rappers didn’t need other regions to have an impact just like south and west. But also east coast stuff spread outside just the east. Sure it did get to Lousiana but that don’t mean Chicago wasn’t listening.

Midwest is different though seems like depending on the part they listen to all of it
 
Same with me, we had 2 walkmans to share, my sisters had their own, and I had to 'steal' or sneak to listen to my cousins and brothers shit. And that's how I would listen to the hardcore music, I couldn't go out and ask my mama to buy me the new Dayton Family album etc. lol

Most black families were on that Delories Tucker type vibe, they didn't say it all loud like her but they felt that rap music contributed to the violence around the area. That was around the time, politicians wanted to censor rap and wanted the 3 strike rule and shit etc etc.

Some parents weren't as strict like DT, mines just couldn't stand it but they never not allowed us to listen to the shit...
They just didn't understand it really, mines...but you had some parents who thought it brought on violence etc...no diss.

But the walkman shit, I had to share the shit, we got walkmans either for Christmas or as a birthday present and that shit was a real deal.... I wasn't listening to Wu-Tang as I stated, AP was the first fuck nigga to put me on that shit and I clowned him for listening to it...

I was in awe that the nigga knew all the wu-tang members, and shit, but he was the ONLY dude that I knew who copped their CDs, I think it was a double disc, and that fuck nigga tried to play me ever song on that shit...

I got the Super Nintendo in 95. My 1st album I bought or rather stole was Kris Kross Da Bomb....

@AP4.0

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How many "fuck niggas" you gone be today??? I know y'all family and shit, but damn.
 
Well let me just say it like this, in 1998, your average 16 year or 17 and under in the south couldn't name you 2 Raekwon songs if you asked them to, and I say it this because he didn't have anything that niggas in the south at that age could chew on to say "oh that's ole dude that has this song out that we still play"

Outkast was prolly a big fan of his, had to been, I'm sure nobody from ATL was asking for them to feature Raekwon on any of their 90s albums, the most known Wu-Tang members at that time were ODB and Method Man from niggas in the south at that time.

Niggas in the South knew ODB from Mariah Carey remix and other stuff, they knew Method from his MJB single and other stuff, again, it was nothing that Raekwon had out that made niggas be on some, yea we need that Raekwon feature, I think Outkast meshes with his style or they can be put into the same unorthodox box as a Raekwon, when it comes rapping.

You're trying to speak for not only 1 but 2 entire regions where even among those regions there's differences in what they were exposed to and got access to musically based on proximity, relatives traveling etc. Your taste and what you got exposed to is yours. That doesn't apply unilaterally across the board
 
A lot of deep southerners don’t consider us the south. I know it does not make any logical sense but rarely at least when it comes to rap do they view us as part of the southern vibe

There's "The South" and then there's "The Souf". The first one ends at NC and TN, the other starts at SC.
 
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