OPINION Contradictions and Lies! Exposing the Democratic Party

ChicagoFigure said:
I'm not talking about every statement I'm talking about three specific statements.
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You didn't make that clear with your question. And even then I'd say Biden was more on the monolith than Hilary was. Both statements were silly, but 1 was tailored for a specific demographic (Hilary with Black women) while one was a blanket statement over the entirety of the group.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
U are generalizing. I know it's obvious and u know it's obvious there are differences. I'm speaking my opinions not someone else's.
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Your opinions, as have been pointed out before, often lack that nuance. So while you may think it's obvious it's not as clear as you want to believe. Especially when you launch into your "well the board is being too pro Dem so let me give some pushback" angles.
 
BlackRain said:
Your opinions, as have been pointed out before, often lack that nuance. So while you may think it's obvious it's not as clear as you want to believe. Especially when you launch into your "well the board is being too pro Dem so let me give some pushback" angles.
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Twice in this thread I stated Biden is better than Trump and Kamala is better than Trump. U don't need anymore nuance to come to the conclusion that id believe there are differences in policies.
 
BlackRain said:
You didn't make that clear with your question. And even then I'd say Biden was more on the monolith than Hilary was. Both statements were silly, but 1 was tailored for a specific demographic (Hilary with Black women) while one was a blanket statement over the entirety of the group.
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Ok so Biden spoke to black ppl as a monolith and Hillary spoke to black women as a monolith?
 
ChicagoFigure said:
Twice in this thread I stated Biden is better than Trump and Kamala is better than Trump. U don't need anymore nuance to come to the conclusion that id believe there are differences in policies.
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And I said that often your opinions lack a certain nuance when you go the everybody is the same route. Didn't say this was one of them.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
So then it's the Dems that treat/speak to blacks as if they are a monolith
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Comfortable with having black folks just cast their votes for them without really offering them anything

That pandering was something thr Dems would do, now its not working and wont work any more going forward and they are stuck
 
SeaSnake said:
Why you view gay black people as separate from
Straight in a negative way? You’ve stated before you wish they wouldn’t be seen like that and I don’t get it. They exist and they are black why you view them as an opp?
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You separated gay black men instead of saying men in one of your post about men being raped in prison

Feminist speak on gay rights which include men.

Is that your way of saying Feminist speak up for men?
 
SeaSnake said:
Fight for a group that views them as lesser. Look how you view feminists why would they help you? But for instance what if a policy idea they pushed ended up helping your family you gonna throw it away because it was divisive?
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If feminist fought for ALL men, boys too, that would not make them a feminist.

They would be labeled like myself who fight for black women, girls, black boys and black men.
Malcolm X wasnt a feminist
MLK wasnt a feminist

Why are they not considered feminist?

They fought for ALL black people.
Feminist dont do that.
Thats divisive with what they do
 
BRIAN B. said:
cuz black people are not a monolith & can't be united for their racism & hatred towards others


now how tf does that theory sound?




I swear you crackas sumn else smh
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Nothing against what you said, just piggybacking on it

Imo, black people should be a monolith group, every other group is when it comes to voting in most cases for what will benefit their group.

We are in a sense, just for the wrong reasons, we dont vote for the things that we need, we (imo) just vote, because Madea voted that way. In some cases.



Every other group is a monolith group when it comes to spending money and buying. They all, or most, spend their money with their own people.
Asians are not going to support black businesses, but we support them

Chinese men are not going out and buying their supplies from a black supplier but we will buy from them.
Etc. Etc.

We should be a move that way imo. We spend and buy from all groups. Other groups sell to us.
 
BlackRain said:
No im acknowledging your point by saying this is a time where you are exercising nuance and even explained the difference in statements Biden and Hilary Clinton made.
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You're painting the picture as though I'm super vague when it comes to 'both sides'. Sometimes I am, sure, but I've clarified enough times that you'd either have to have missed every single clarification/explanation (there are many including this thread) to say it's not obvious that I know there a policy differences between both sides lol.

There's literally no way u can come to that conclusion after years of back and forths, even for czar, who I think just lazily wanted to lump me in with everyone and would rather double down than admit it.
 
Knock_Twice said:
You separated gay black men instead of saying men in one of your post about men being raped in prison

Feminist speak on gay rights which include men.

Is that your way of saying Feminist speak up for men?
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No I didn’t. You said I don’t bring up defending men or something like that and I stated my stances on things regarding men. I don’t think prison rape jokes are funny I don’t think boy should sleep with adults and I think it does way more harm than good for a boy


All these can include gay people too. You’re the one that keeps saying feminists and gays and etc are dividing the community you also stated you wish gay people be quiet. That’s why it hard to take you serious because it’s not really pro black. You just want to help those you view as acceptable.

And no feminists don’t speak for all men nor do they try too lol but you whole goal is to show how feminism makes things worse or that they have programs just for women or something but no proof of it. You act like they hate men
 
Knock_Twice said:
If feminist fought for ALL men, boys too, that would not make them a feminist.

They would be labeled like myself who fight for black women, girls, black boys and black men.
Malcolm X wasnt a feminist
MLK wasnt a feminist

Why are they not considered feminist?

They fought for ALL black people.
Feminist dont do that.
Thats divisive with what they do
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But you don’t fight for foreign black folk? You made it divisive from the jump knock and mad you think other people don’t want to be under your umbrella?
 
Knock_Twice said:
That pandering was something thr Dems would do, now its not working and wont work any more going forward and they are stuck
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The cycle is usually:

1) Dems do nothing
2) Republicans get elected
3) Republicans make shit worse
4) Dems get elected

And repeat

I think Dems rely on the Republicans fucking up so they don't have to promise anything other than "we're not them"
 
ChicagoFigure said:
You're painting the picture as though I'm super vague when it comes to 'both sides'. Sometimes I am, sure, but I've clarified enough times that you'd either have to have missed every single clarification/explanation (there are many including this thread) to say it's not obvious that I know there a policy differences between both sides lol.

There's literally no way u can come to that conclusion after years of back and forths, even for czar, who I think just lazily wanted to lump me in with everyone and would rather double down than admit it.
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You have admittedly interjected into things because you feel it's too pro left and felt a need to try and balance things out. You've tried to both sides shit you admit aren't actual equivalents. In this very post you admit to being vague at times. So can you really be shocked when you intentionally play contrarian to certain obvious shit just for the sake of it that it's not always clear that you actually do acknowledge policy differences?
 
BlackRain said:
You have admittedly interjected into things because you feel it's too pro left and felt a need to try and balance things out. You've tried to both sides shit you admit aren't actual equivalents. In this very post you admit to being vague at times. So can you really be shocked when you intentionally play contrarian to certain obvious shit just for the sake of it that it's not always clear that you actually do acknowledge policy differences?
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I don't interject bc things are too pro left. Things are always too pro left. I simply point out hypocrisies, if im wrong I'll admit it.

When I say I was vague it's not bc it was intentional it's bc I wasn't asked to clarify or it didn't turn into a debate

U really take shit i say and twist it based on your preconceived notions, you've done it before and admitted to it.
 
SeaSnake said:
No I didn’t. You said I don’t bring up defending men or something like that and I stated my stances on things regarding men. I don’t think prison rape jokes are funny I don’t think boy should sleep with adults and I think it does way more harm than good for a boy


All these can include gay people too. You’re the one that keeps saying feminists and gays and etc are dividing the community you also stated you wish gay people be quiet. That’s why it hard to take you serious because it’s not really pro black. You just want to help those you view as acceptable.

And no feminists don’t speak for all men nor do they try too lol but you whole goal is to show how feminism makes things worse or that they have programs just for women or something but no proof of it. You act like they hate men
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Brotha, when you discuss men, you bring up their sexuality.

You are discussing gay men or gay acts that are involving men.

Feminists speak up for gays...which includes gay black men...

Feminists do not speak up for ALL black men is my point.


Tell us a time when feminists spoke up for heterosexual black men?
 
SeaSnake said:
But you don’t fight for foreign black folk? You made it divisive from the jump knock and mad you think other people don’t want to be under your umbrella?
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Foreign blacks dont fight for FBAS...
Foreign blacks are not even fighting for one another.
Knock is point out how feminists, male and female are the main contributors of the gender war between FBA women and FBA men.

This is why FBAS are delineate from Foreign blacks.

I knew you would go there...and I didnt want to have to distinguish black women and black men but im glad we can do that now that you said what I was waiting for you to say.

Feminists definitely don't speak up for FBA heterosexual men.

Most feminist are not FBA women...believe it or not.
 
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