OPINION Contradictions and Lies! Exposing the Democratic Party

BlackRain said:
The bold shows you just talking to be talking because that's been discussed ad nauseum. And Michelle Obama wouldn't have been a good candidate either. Mostly because of her expressed disinterest in ever holding political office. Your framing things as people being fans of Kamala is also telling in how you view politicians which is part of the problem. These people shouldn't have "fans". Now you gonna get to those policies you missed or you still focused on *insert celeb endorsement here* that you admittedly let distract you into think trump was better?
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Michelle would had been a better candidate because she is more popular

and popularity is something Kamala doesn't have enough to be seen as a capable politician

the fact u refuse to acknowledge how much popularity plays a role in the effectiveness of a politician is why u in here talking delusion about Kamala now

u can't see the forest for the trees if u can't see Kamala's obvious shortcomings
 
Mr BFK said:
by many objective metrics trump is a better politician whether u agree with his shitty leadership or not

the fact he's been able to build himself a cult of supporters while also being someone who has actually shit on and took advantage of his same voter base

mofo has never worked a legit job his entire life, is known for cheating/taking advantage of working people, was born to money, didn't serve in the military and directly insults veterans..........

yet he's managed to get re-elected twice and we still ain't willing to acknowledge he's a better politician


this why we are where we are today cuz Dems refuse to see the lesson
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No trump is a salesman. He's not a good politician at all. If he was then he wouldn't need to go about shit the way he does and has since he been in office. He started his whole political career using a racist trope against Barack Obama. It ain't like he had to try that hard to pull that off on a president who already had people openly wanting to lynch him
 
Mr BFK said:
Michelle would had been a better candidate because she is more popular

and popularity is something Kamala doesn't have enough to be seen as a capable politician

the fact u refuse to acknowledge how much popularity plays a role in the effectiveness of a politician is why u in here talking delusion about Kamala now

u can't see the forest for the trees if u can't see Kamala's obvious shortcomings
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I never said popularity doesn't matter. I am saying it doesn't make a person a better candidate just because more people like them. Michelle Obama being more well liked doesn't mean she was better fit for the job. People liking you and your ability to perform a task aren't inherently connected.
 
BlackRain said:
No trump is a salesman. He's not a good politician at all. If he was then he wouldn't need to go about shit the way he does and has since he been in office. He started his whole political career using a racist trope against Barack Obama. It ain't like he had to try that hard to pull that off on a president who already had people openly wanting to lynch him
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and this is where we are having the disconnect

do u think any politician is effective if they aren't a salesman?

I'm not discussing policy, I'm talking about overall effectiveness as a politician


ur girl obviously ain't got it


and u got to actually get in the position to be an effective politician

the fact that trump got elected twice and Kamala wasn't even effective in her own presidential campaign by default makes him a better politician

that doesn't mean I agree with his policies
 
Someone who ran with policies hellbent on causing a Recession-his own words versus Someone who didn’t run on causing a recession…And the latter would have been just as bad…TF!?

Fam y’all dead ass convinced yourselves that the GOP in Congress would have went along with whatever Kamala H would have tried to do, yall convinced yourself that the Right leaning Supreme Court would have went along with her agenda. They denied Biden the opportunity to cancel student loans but granted Trump the same powers; that Supreme Court y’all telling folks would have went along with Kamala H.’s agenda.

Without Tariffs and reneging on trade deals, The business environment would be much stronger, before calling me a liar go speak to all the businesses who inputs cost went up and market access shrunk.

Statistically the overall economy would have been better under a democratic leadership with a Republican Congress.

Trump would not be as effective if his party didn’t control Congress; let’s be honest wouldn’t have gotten elected if not for the Heritage Foundation. He’s a lackey doing whatever his handlers tell him to do I.e. Ronald Regan.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
I said no one prominent enough and again, bc we keep voting for status quo which is anti any of those solutions.
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I didn't ask for anyone prominent, I asked just for a name. It could be mayor or a state rep.

This is another major part of the problem, people looking for some messiah to come along say a couple of well written speeches and change appears magically. When in reality almost all the movements we have had in this country has started from the ground up. Hell even MAGAs beginnings are from are the tea party grassroots.

Edit: That second part isn't about your personal beliefs. Just me post thoughts.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
There are none that are prominent enough bc when you vote for status quo u literally vote against making changes.
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We(black people) can’t afford to work and live in the ideal world.
ChicagoFigure said:
Why aren't they viable and are there any others u have in mind?


Yup and the next Dem candidate will be better than the next GOP candidate next election and the one after that and the one after that yet regardless who wins quality of life gets worse for us while they get richer. Doom loop.
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Thing is that usually translates to our everyday lives.

For example, most economic downturns occur when the GOP has power.
 
Mr BFK said:
and this is where we are having the disconnect

do u think any politician is effective if they aren't a salesman?

I'm not discussing policy, I'm talking about overall effectiveness as a politician


ur girl obviously ain't got it


and u got to actually get in the position to be an effective politician

the fact that trump got elected twice and Kamala wasn't even effective in her own presidential campaign by default makes him a better politician

that doesn't mean I agree with his policies
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The bold is the disconnect. You started off saying Kamala would've been worse while admitting you know nothing of her policies she ran on. You're talking popularity vs actual impact. Popularity matters impact matters more. You want proof? Look at what lost trump the 2020 election. He was still popular but the impact of him failing at the political side of things lost him the election. Same shit this time. His popularity got him elected, his policies has caused the current chaos and worries that Republicans will lose the House. For you to say he's better that would mean he's having a positive impact and by the majority of metrics he is not.

Nobody is saying you had to or have to like Kamala. But spouting off uninformed nonsense just leaves you sounding silly. If you can't actually name the policies she ran on and how they'd be worse then your claim is nonsense. You've yet to do that.
 
BlackRain said:
The bold is the disconnect. You started off saying Kamala would've been worse while admitting you know nothing of her policies she ran on. You're talking popularity vs actual impact. Popularity matters impact matters more. You want proof? Look at what lost trump the 2020 election. He was still popular but the impact of him failing at the political side of things lost him the election. Same shit this time. His popularity got him elected, his policies has caused the current chaos and worries that Republicans will lose the House. For you to say he's better that would mean he's having a positive impact and by the majority of metrics he is not.

Nobody is saying you had to or have to like Kamala. But spouting off uninformed nonsense just leaves you sounding silly. If you can't actually name the policies she ran on and how they'd be worse then your claim is nonsense. You've yet to do that.
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I didn't dissect policy cuz that really wasn't the metric I'm using to say that she wouldn't have been "better" than trump


my point is at best she wouldn't have messed with the status quo

at worst she wouldn't have really been able to get anything done cause she doesn't have the popularity

nor the external mechanisms in place to support any policy she tried to implement



plus her foreign policy could've been ineffective at a time when world powers are more willing to be aggressive

the rest of ya'll just being overly emotional in here😏

it's ok to put the Kamala poms poms down bruh 😖
 
Mr BFK said:
I didn't dissect policy cuz that really wasn't the metric I'm using to say that she wouldn't have been "better" than trump


my point is at best she wouldn't have messed with the status quo

at worst she wouldn't have really been able to get anything done cause she doesn't have the popularity

nor the external mechanisms in place to support any policy she tried to implement



plus her foreign policy could've been ineffective at a time when world powers are more willing to be aggressive

the rest of ya'll just being overly emotional in here😏

it's ok to put the Kamala poms poms down bruh 😖
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Then you should've never mentioned them. You introduced your own ignorance to her policies as a talking point. Your point doesn't have a good foundation because you're not basing it on anything tangible. Just your own feelings about her as an individual. You didn't make a good point and you're dying on the hill. And given how a good portion of the world's other leaders have made clear how they feel about trump you saying you didn't have confidence in Biden or Harris but somehow having confidence in trump is delusional at best.
 
Putting on my history nerd hat on for a moment...

It's interesting that the US founding fathers in the beginning were very much against having a party system of any kind. Both Hamilton and Madison wrote about being against political parties in the federalist papers. George Washington also said that parties would create stagnation within government.
 
OmarWasRight said:
We(black people) can’t afford to work and live in the ideal world.

Thing is that usually translates to our everyday lives.

For example, most economic downturns occur when the GOP has power.
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Idk where u live but I'm in deep blue Chicago not a republican in sight and they are currently getting ready to double black/brown homeowners property taxes to offset rising vacancies in downtown commercial real estate due in large part to democrat leadership failing the city.

Since we are talking about everyday lives.
 
Tayboo said:
I didn't ask for anyone prominent, I asked just for a name. It could be mayor or a state rep.

This is another major part of the problem, people looking for some messiah to come along say a couple of well written speeches and change appears magically. When in reality almost all the movements we have had in this country has started from the ground up. Hell even MAGAs beginnings are from are the tea party grassroots.

Edit: That second part isn't about your personal beliefs. Just me post thoughts.
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Off the top I can only think of Raskin and Elizabeth warren who endorsed some of those ideas. Some republican states allowed rank choice voting in their recent election to test it out tho ofc GOP more likely to push back on it nationwide.

Ofc it takes work but we have to admit that if we're just gonna vote blue no matter who or just stick to party loyalty we aren't even giving other options a chance. What incentive do they have to change things if they know we're gonna vote for em matter what?
 
BlackRain said:
Then you should've never mentioned them. You introduced your own ignorance to her policies as a talking point. Your point doesn't have a good foundation because you're not basing it on anything tangible. Just your own feelings about her as an individual. You didn't make a good point and you're dying on the hill. And given how a good portion of the world's other leaders have made clear how they feel about trump you saying you didn't have confidence in Biden or Harris but somehow having confidence in trump is delusional at best.
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u still putting words in my mouth to win an argument against what u just admitted is my own opinion

no where did I state my opinion as fact......I just expressed my own logic how I see it......and yeah voters pick politicians based on how they feel about them


1) ur girl doesn't have any unique policy that is really different than standard Dem rhetoric

2) I never said Kamala is "worse", just that she wouldn't necessarily be better.....words actually mean something

3) I never expressed "more" confidence in trump, I just stated he is more effective as a politician period......I don't even agree with his policies or even rate him as a desirable leader of anything, let alone the being the president SMH

4) u are naive if u think leaders of other countries (especially enemies) would take Kamala more serious than they do an old white man.....I'm trying to picture her talking to China/Russia on some serious shit when China literally floated spy balloons over CONUS.....yeah my opinion prob doesn't express confidence for Kamala when she got Meg twerking beside her


and finally all of ur responses have been emotional without taking the time to really consider my statements........u acting like I'm talking down on ur favorite BM in here 😂....yet no one in here is willing to say they would vote for Kamala over Michelle if Michelle came out and said she was running


in the end Kamala and none of these politicians really give af about u or me......so what are we really doing here 🙁
 
Mr BFK said:
u still putting words in my mouth to win an argument against what u just admitted is my own opinion

no where did I state my opinion as fact......I just expressed my own logic how I see it......and yeah voters pick politicians based on how they feel about them


1) ur girl doesn't have any unique policy that is really different than standard Dem rhetoric

2) I never said Kamala is "worse", just that she wouldn't necessarily be better.....words actually mean something

3) I never expressed "more" confidence in trump, I just stated he is more effective as a politician period......I don't even agree with his policies or even rate him as a desirable leader of anything, let alone the being the president SMH

4) u are naive if u think leaders of other countries (especially enemies) would take Kamala more serious than they do an old white man.....I'm trying to picture her talking to China/Russia on some serious shit when China literally floated spy balloons over CONUS.....yeah my opinion prob doesn't express confidence for Kamala when she got Meg twerking beside her


and finally all of ur responses have been emotional without taking the time to really consider my statements........u acting like I'm talking down on ur favorite BM in here 😂....yet no one in here is willing to say they would vote for Kamala over Michelle if Michelle came out and said she was running


in the end Kamala and none of these politicians really give af about u or me......so what are we really doing here 🙁
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Literally your own words "Kamala wouldn't have been better than Trump". So that means the same or worse. Both of which are incorrect.

You also said that you didn't have confidence in Biden or Harris. So do you by default have confidence in trump?

The question about Michelle Obama vs Kamala i already answered. You even responded to it.

You've had world leaders on record this very year saying they treat trump like a child and openly mocking him. That's sure a high level of respect.

My responses were to the things you were saying. You made a badly grounded point based not on facts but badly informed opinions.
 
BlackRain said:
Literally your own words "Kamala wouldn't have been better than Trump". So that means the same or worse. Both of which are incorrect.

You also said that you didn't have confidence in Biden or Harris. So do you by default have confidence in trump?

The question about Michelle Obama vs Kamala i already answered. You even responded to it.

You've had world leaders on record this very year saying they treat trump like a child and openly mocking him. That's sure a high level of respect.

My responses were to the things you were saying. You made a badly grounded point based not on facts but badly informed opinions.
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i didn't have confidence in Biden/Harris based on experience........I also didn't have confidence in trump the 1st term, and I don't have confidence in him now

u acting as if it's impossible for me to think lowly of both



u brushed off the Michelle comment about her not being a good candidate cuz she said she didn't want to run......that's a copout when u know my point was that Kamala was never a serious candidate for mofos to now be all defensive over her.....no one would've picked Kamala in a head to head



world leaders mock trump but they don't keep that same energy when it comes to shit that matters........too many of them are too busy kissing his ass in public



and nothing is badly informed about what I saw with my own eyes

she a black woman who only got in by inside handshakes and she still didn't grasp the bigger picture

u trying to be the 1st black woman president and u think it make sense to have Meg and Quavo repping ur campaign when white folks u need the vote from expect u to be above reproach

too many advisors should've schooled her on that

and the fact mofos still defending that shit is why we losing with trump in office now SMH
 
Mr BFK said:
i didn't have confidence in Biden/Harris based on experience........I also didn't have confidence in trump the 1st term, and I don't have confidence in him now

u acting as if it's impossible for me to think lowly of both



u brushed off the Michelle comment about her not being a good candidate cuz she said she didn't want to run......that's a copout when u know my point was that Kamala was never a serious candidate for mofos to now be all defensive over her.....no one would've picked Kamala in a head to head



world leaders mock trump but they don't keep that same energy when it comes to shit that matters........too many of them are too busy kissing his ass in public



and nothing is badly informed about what I saw with my own eyes

she a black woman who only got in by inside handshakes and she still didn't grasp the bigger picture

u trying to be the 1st black woman president and u think it make sense to have Meg and Quavo repping ur campaign when white folks u need the vote from expect u to be above reproach

too many advisors should've schooled her on that

and the fact mofos still defending that shit is why we losing with trump in office now SMH
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Its not a copout to say I wouldn't support Michelle Obama taking a position she has spent more than a decade now saying they would never want. That's using common sense to know that if somebody doesn't want to do something they most likely just...wouldn't. Again you picked a bad example that doesn't hold up.

You think China is kissing his ass or laughing at him and these tarrifs? You think they respect it? If so then tell the farmers who just needed a bailout how much they respect him. You think Putin ain't playing him like a fiddle? Israel got him by the balls and you see that as giving him what he wants?

You're talking about Kamala like she just appeared out of nowhere and this wasn't her career. To say she only got in because of inside handshakes yet also say because she's a Black woman she wouldn't be taken seriously is a contradiction. Again you can dislike her but being dishonest about her career is showing your hand. Her policies, specifically her economic policies, that you either refuse to look up or intentionally missed were widely deemed to be miles ahead of this shit trump got us into. Thats why you're badly misinformed. Because there's actual evidence to counter your "we would still be down this bad with her in office" feeling.
 
it IS a copout to act like Kamala is someone's 1st choice when she didn't get voted in by anybody.....Michelle could change her mind tomorrow and I don't see all these same Kamala fans still supporting her 😒

Kamala actually ran for president herself and couldn't beat anyone......u acting like I'm like saying something crazy for pointing out the obvious

Biden only picked her as a VP because of her race/gender not because of her legit qualifications

those are the handshakes I'm talking about so it's not a contradiction when the party was focused on diversity policies at the time



and her policies weren't that divergent from the Dem party's reg policies

for this to be her primary job with years of experience she was naive to put out a campaign like that thinking she was going to be judged fairly



plus u acting like China respects women like that.....it's a high probability China would've already invaded Taiwan with Harris in office

as far as Putin, both parties were getting played by him hence Putin feeling comfortable enough to invade Ukraine anyway

Israel isn't doing anything new.....not sure of ur point there
 
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