Poll What's More Important: Knowing Math or Knowing How To Read?

[Duwop]

Sure, in a musical context being able to read notes on a page is the same as reading words in a book.

What does that have to do with the discussion though bruh. Like @AP4.0, I'm just going to assume you are high because that was a very potheaded comment to make.

Musical context
Manual labor context
Natural life experiences in general.

You do not HAVE to be able to read to learn or understand many concepts. Many people learn though experiences
Many people learn with their hands
I can read about fishing all day, but until I actually go fishing I will not be able to successfully saying can fish. You can be extremely intelligent and pick up on a lotta things without learning how to read

It just takes other methods.. There are far too many examples for it to be an exception.

The best cement layer I know can't read


The best welder I know can't read.

The people who built the house you live in prolly can't read.. But they made sure their money was right

 

[BlackRain]

It's actually a great one. You can be a great musician without being able to read music.

You cannot be a great musician if you can't count the beat.

Yes you can. I grew up with a father who can play multiple instruments and can't read music notes traditionally. But if he couldn't read at all he wouldn't have been able to learn the instruments at all because you need to know how to read to even know what instruments you're playing

 

[Duwop]

Juelz is kinda slow, and didn't present his argument well. But I understand the concept he was aiming at, and I feel I explained it well.

Y'all might want it to be wrong, but it's the other way. I can't help y'all understand if y'all don't want to. I just present the information
. It's up you you to accept and digest it

 

[Duwop]

Yes you can. I grew up with a father who can play multiple instruments and can't read music notes traditionally. But if he couldn't read at all he wouldn't have been able to learn the instruments at all because you need to know how to read to even know what instruments you're playing

That's simply not true.. Not reading does not equate to not talking.

You ask, and you are told.

You can know what a trumpet or a trombone is without being able to read the name


You can hear and see the difference between an alto sax and a tenor sax without being able to read the words. And you know this.

 

[AP4.0]

When you start the new job b?

 

[Duwop]

When you start the new job b?

Dismissive AP

 

[Duwop]

You can look at a piccolo and a flute and recognize the difference. You don't have to see the words.

 

[Inori]

You can look at a piccolo and a flute and recognize the difference. You don't have to see the words.

 

[Duwop]

Who would you rather have on your pick up team.

Player A. Has been reading about the sport of basketball as long as they've known how to read. Understands every rule, regulation. Read techniques. Read situational strategy. Has watched footage and breakdowns. Has a working knowledge of the history of the game. Can give you names, dates, anything you can read about basketball, they can tell you. trajectories all that. They just never played one day in their life.

Player B. Completely illiterate. Can't read for shit. But they been playing basketball since they've been walking. And they can they know free throws are 1 point. They know where to shoot from to get 2 points, and to get 3 points. Even though they couldn't read the word two or three to save their life. But they know hooping from years of experience.

Yes these are two unrealistic extremes. But it's very clear who anyone would pick.

 

[AP4.0]

 

[BlackRain]

That's simply not true.. Not reading does not equate to not talking.

You ask, and you are told.

You can know what a trumpet or a trombone is without being able to read the name


You can hear and see the difference between an alto sax and a tenor sax without being able to read the words. And you know this.

If you can't read then you won't even know what the box or case your instrument comes in says. You may not need to read music notes to learn music but you do need to know how to read basic words or else you won't even understand what the chords you're hearing mean

 

[Duwop]

I get it AP you got nuffin. But for what it's worth, if that was you and I on a podcast, it would definitely be explained better.

Cuz I wouldn't even trap myself into answering what's more important in that context. You can't teach financial literacy in schools without teaching actual literacy first. At that stage you definitely want children in a classroom setting to be able to read and understand what they're reading before teaching financial literacy in a classroom.

However his application was the 'street smarts' application... Which again is contradictory to the whole classroom argument. You're not teaching "street smarts" in a classroom... So his whole argument of stressing that when children have a low literacy rate is pretty stupid...

However in a proper context,I completely understand that a person can survive and operate nat and high level while being illiterate if their overall understanding of a certain field is strong enough for them to find success. And particularly in the black community where in many poverty stricken areas the literacy rate may be low, but an individuals expectations to earn is still very high, and there is a high motivation to earn regardless of how well you can read.

It's not a bad discussion. He just presented it poorly.

I did a much better job, but you dropping Spider-Man faces, so I can tell your interest level is discussing this is comical at best....

But aye,I don't mind doing the heavy lifting. Thanks for your participation

 

[AP4.0]

I get it AP you got nuffin. But for what it's worth, if that was you and I on a podcast, it would definitely be explained better.

Cuz I wouldn't even trap myself into answering what's more important in that context. You can't teach financial literacy in schools without teaching actual literacy first. At that stage you definitely want children in a classroom setting to be able to read and understand what they're reading before teaching financial literacy in a classroom.

However his application was the 'street smarts' application... Which again is contradictory to the whole classroom argument. You're not teaching "street smarts" in a classroom... So his whole argument of stressing that when children have a low literacy rate is pretty stupid...

However in a proper context,I completely understand that a person can survive and operate nat and high level while being illiterate if their overall understanding of a certain field is strong enough for them to find success. And particularly in the black community where in many poverty stricken areas the literacy rate may be low, but an individuals expectations to earn is still very high, and there is a high motivation to earn regardless of how well you can read.

It's not a bad discussion. He just presented it poorly.

I did a much better job, but you dropping Spider-Man faces, so I can tell your interest level is discussing this is comical at best....

But aye,I don't mind doing the heavy lifting. Thanks for your participation

His argument is already pretty flawed but when challenged about reading a contract, his response was I can just put it in an app and it will tell me

Ok, what if the app isn't objective and cause you don't know how to read, you don't know what other words mean. You doing too much relying on ai to do the work you could've easily done yourself

 

[BlackRain]

Funniest shit about Juelz saying this is his job is literally to write words down and read them. How the fuck he gonna know his own lyrics?

 

[Duwop]

If you can't read then you won't even know what the box or case your instrument comes in says. You may not need to read music notes to learn music but you do need to know how to read basic words or else you won't even understand what the chords you're hearing mean

C'mon bruh, this again is not true. I was a band kid from 3rd grade thru college

My trumpet never said "Trumpet case"

You recognize it thru shape and size...as with all musical cases ...no reading is necessary until you are being taught to read music. And at every stage of my musical career I've been exposed to better musicians than me who could not read music.

I played with my church choir where the director didn't know shit about chords and could never tell me what key we were in, I had to sound it out, write it down, and play very low, until I caught on... Those who played by ear would just be going. This is very common in bands where some read music and some don't.... In a larger band you might get someone who can call out the scale we were in which made it easier for me to catch up.

But by large, very little reading is required for bands that play by ear... I'm only speaking from experience here.

 

[Duwop]

His argument is already pretty flawed but when challenged about reading a contract, his response was I can just put it in an app and it will tell me

Ok, what if the app isn't objective and cause you don't know how to read, you don't know what other words mean. You doing too much relying on ai to do the work you could've easily done yourself

Juelz argument is BS. But I understand where he was going with it. He just got packed up cuz he lacked the proper context. Again, no one is going to teach illiterate children financial literacy in the classroom. And no one is going to suggest kids learn about money in the streets.

 

[Duwop]

Funniest shit about Juelz saying this is his job is literally to write words down and read them. How the fuck he gonna know his own lyrics?

Jay Z and biggie reportedly didn't write there's.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lotta freestyle rappers didn't know how to read..... I would suspect a lotta guys memorized their rhymes because they struggled at reading and writing words

 

[Duwop]

His argument is already pretty flawed but when challenged about reading a contract, his response was I can just put it in an app and it will tell me

Ok, what if the app isn't objective and cause you don't know how to read, you don't know what other words mean. You doing too much relying on ai to do the work you could've easily done yourself

Again, which is why I said he is not presenting this argument in a good context. However the discussion does have merit.

 

[BlackRain]

Jay Z and biggie reportedly didn't write there's.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lotta freestyle rappers didn't know how to read..... I would suspect a lotta guys memorized their rhymes because they struggled at reading and writing words

Guess what you're lacking if you can't read? A knowledge of words and how to use them in multiple proper context.

 

[BlackRain]

C'mon bruh, this again is not true. I was a band kid from 3rd grade thru college

My trumpet never said "Trumpet case"

You recognize it thru shape and size...as with all musical cases ...no reading is necessary until you are being taught to read music. And at every stage of my musical career I've been exposed to better musicians than me who could not read music.

I played with my church choir where the director didn't know shit about chords and could never tell me what key we were in, I had to sound it out, write it down, and play very low, until I caught on... Those who played by ear would just be going. This is very common in bands where some read music and some don't.... In a larger band you might get someone who can call out the scale we were in which made it easier for me to catch up.

But by large, very little reading is required for bands that play by ear... I'm only speaking from experience here.

Nigga something as simple as putting a drum kit together correctly comes with instructions. Guess what you can't do if you can't read? Lol