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Iceberg_Taylor said:
Is it crack Eric???
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...or AEW is losing money hand over fist. With a huge roster that by their own accounts make top-end money, including a completely superfluous brand in ROH that just bleeds money without a TV deal, plummeting attendance that is currently selling 1000 tickets for a building that holds 5000 as a part of a residency, ratings that have lost 100,000 viewers---a 13% decrease in the last year, with Collision now doing the same numbers that got Rampage cancelled, multiple failed video game offerings, all while being on a media company that is literally splitting up its unprofitable offerings from its profitable ones. Guess which one AEW is getting stuck with?

Liking AEW is fine and well. But it is clearly a financial money-pit that only survives because Tony Khan has an unlimited money glitch. That's Eric's actual point. That with the right TV deal TNA can become a profitable company and thus a more successful business. Which AEW is abjectly not.

Like their wrestling all day, but it is clear by every visible metric (attendance, ratings, social media impressions, multimedia offerings) that AEW is in a downward cycle and that's his point, and it's a salient one.
 
PhenomTheMac said:
...or AEW is losing money hand over fist. With a huge roster that by their own accounts make top-end money, including a completely superfluous brand in ROH that just bleeds money without a TV deal, plummeting attendance that is currently selling 1000 tickets for a building that holds 5000 as a part of a residency, ratings that have lost 100,000 viewers---a 13% decrease in the last year, with Collision now doing the same numbers that got Rampage cancelled, multiple failed video game offerings, all while being on a media company that is literally splitting up its unprofitable offerings from its profitable ones. Guess which one AEW is getting stuck with?

Liking AEW is fine and well. But it is clearly a financial money-pit that only survives because Tony Khan has an unlimited money glitch. That's Eric's actual point. That with the right TV deal TNA can become a profitable company and thus a more successful business. Which AEW is abjectly not.

Like their wrestling all day, but it is clear by every visible metric (attendance, ratings, social media impressions, multimedia offerings) that AEW is in a downward cycle and that's his point, and it's a salient one.
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In all honesty IDC about any of this because I have no vested interest in the business side of AEW, TNA or WWE. ESPECIALLY in this age of media rights and streaming where all of what you mentioned about AEW doesnt really matter at the end of the day cause Warner is paying them for content

TNA will never have a big show like ALL IN where they put up numbers on the boards and draw attention from the media. They dont have the talent like AEW; they cant even get main roster WWE guys onto their show. Not even niggas like Omos or Karrion Kross who be sitting in the sidelines. Their weekly show is consistently cheeks and only watched by supreme die hard TNA fans. Every single one of their top talent will end up with the competition (see Jordynne Grace, see Mike Santana, see Joe Hendry even tho I think WWE will end up passing on him because they used him at his PEAK so whats left now)

So lets say TNA does get a tv deal... how long does that last before the plug gets pulled? And how much you wanna bet that would happen before Warner pulls the plug on AEW???
 
Variety has a story today detailing WWE's foray onto Netflix.

The piece talked about how Raw has been in the top 10 most watched shows on Netflix globally for the 27 weeks that they have aired (now 28 weeks as they placed in the top 10 for the July 14 episode).

PLEs routinely make the 10 in countries where Netflix airs them. The piece also suggested that Netflix may want to go after PLE rights in the US when the Peacock deal expires next year.

Netflix Vice President Of Sports Gabe Spitzer told Variety, "It’s everything we could have hoped for and more. We knew going in that we’re not going to change WWE. It was more, how can we add to it in small ways, and that’s what we’ve seen so far.”
 
Iceberg_Taylor said:
In all honesty IDC about any of this because I have no vested interest in the business side of AEW, TNA or WWE. ESPECIALLY in this age of media rights and streaming where all of what you mentioned about AEW doesnt really matter at the end of the day cause Warner is paying them for content

TNA will never have a big show like ALL IN where they put up numbers on the boards and draw attention from the media. They dont have the talent like AEW; they cant even get main roster WWE guys onto their show. Not even niggas like Omos or Karrion Kross who be sitting in the sidelines. Their weekly show is consistently cheeks and only watched by supreme die hard TNA fans. Every single one of their top talent will end up with the competition (see Jordynne Grace, see Mike Santana, see Joe Hendry even tho I think WWE will end up passing on him because they used him at his PEAK so whats left now)

So lets say TNA does get a tv deal... how long does that last before the plug gets pulled? And how much you wanna bet that would happen before Warner pulls the plug on AEW???
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I agree with everything you said about TNA as a product. Their talent doesn't match up to AEW at all.

But, that wasn't what Bischoff was talking about. And so, that's what I referenced. Despite AEW's successes they are rife with poor business decisions because Tony isn't a businessman. Spending like crazy on entrance themes and engaging in bidding wars for talent with WWE, etc. is just poor business and in that way TNA can absolutely fly past them just by making better financial decisions. Its just two fundamentally different objectives.

As far as the TV deals. Man, look. I don't know. AEW has already had 2 cancellations and Collision is pulling ratings that would easily justify its cancellation too. WBD is a terrible business too. We will see where they are after splitting the media properties up, and once the true impact of losing the NBA hits their books.

Maybe AEW makes it through their deal (the options for the 4th and 5th year are about 15 months away) but it is hemorrhaging viewership and who knows where the bottom is. Wrestling isn't exactly a large earner in terms of ad dollars, and AEW is probably less so with its more adult-oriented programming and softening viewership. TNA could in theory leverage the WWE partnership and more family friendly product for a TV deal that makes some waves. Hard to say. But what I can say is that a TNA with a better TV deal is closer to AEW than AEW is to WWE.
 
Ring of Honor still doesn’t have a television deal, but there were offers and discussions in the past.

In the past, it was noted that ROH has had discussions regarding a potential television deal. When Fightful inquired about the details, we were just told that Tony Khan had a specific goal and amount he thought such a deal was worth. We also learned that there had been inquiries, that actually led to another deal.

In January, TruTV began airing replays of AEW Dynamite Friday nights at 10 PM ET. Sources close to WBD claimed to Fightful Select that deal actually came about from discussions regarding an ROH TV slot. However, the terms weren’t quite there to make a deal, but AEW was open to running a replay of Dynamite in that spot for the deal instead. We’re told that wasn’t even an amount that AEW had particularly expected when hammering out their rights deal initially, and the two sides came to terms, leading to that weekly replay.

There has been interest over the last few years from a number of suitors for ROH TV. However, we’ve not ever been told that a deal was particularly close. Similarly, there were rumors of AEW Shockwave, but we were told that was simply a theory and a pitch as opposed to something firm.
 



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