COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

The Lonious Monk said:
Huh? Obama absolutely was an establishment pick. So much so that there were conspiracies while he was running that he was groomed to be president. I won't say that the power structure cared much whether he or Hillary won when they went to head-to-head in the primary, but he absolutely wasn't someone the establishment felt the need to side against like they did with Bernie or, more recently, with Mamdani.
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No he wasn’t. Hilary was the front runner.

That was besides my point.

Unless you’re saying there was voter suppression during the primary, primary voters did not show up for Bernie.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
A lot of people fell for Barack and his campaign which is what created such a strong distaste and distrust of the Dem establishment moving forward.

Some of that even helped trump win.
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People still love Barack. Especially people not plugged into politics like us.

Yes his presidency helped Trump win, but it was because Trump appealed to people angry a black man was president and had “woke” objectives like gay marriage.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
That he was "change" and turned out to be more status quo establishment
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I think a lot of people overlook context. One example of that is the dems had control of Congress for two years while he was president.

The context that is overlooked is that control of Congress doesn’t mean every member of the party is lock step with Obama and his agenda.

I also I think people thought he would bring instant and sudden change(black folks legit thought they were gonna get checks) when that rarely is the case with democratic governments.
 
TheNightKing said:
People still love Barack. Especially people not plugged into politics like us.
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People love trump too, means nothing.
TheNightKing said:
Yes his presidency helped Trump win, but it was because Trump appealed to people angry a black man was president and had “woke” objectives like gay marriage.
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Those are some of the reasons. Yes there are racists and bigots who didn't want him to win, but I'm not talking about them.

If they were powerful enough he wouldn't have ever gotten the first term let alone two.

There's a reason ppl keep gravitating toward populist rhetoric even tho they keep getting shafted.
 
JAG said:
I think a lot of people overlook context. One example of that is the dems had control of Congress for two years while he was president.

The context that is overlooked is that control of Congress doesn’t mean every member of the party is lock step with Obama and his agenda.

I also I think people thought he would bring instant and sudden change(black folks legit thought they were gonna get checks) when that rarely is the case with democratic governments.
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Yes, government is stagnant for everyone but the rich and powerful.

Obama was a mere continuation of it and so it gave guys like Trump who, at least at first, presented as an outsider (remember the GOP tried to rally against him) with populist rhetoric.

I also think it's the reason why Mamdani had a successful primary against Cuomo tho there's still no telling how that finishes.
 


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ChicagoFigure said:
Yes, government is stagnant for everyone but the rich and powerful.

Obama was a mere continuation of it and so it gave guys like Trump who, at least at first, presented as an outsider (remember the GOP tried to rally against him) with populist rhetoric.

I also think it's the reason why Mamdani had a successful primary against Cuomo tho there's still no telling how that finishes.
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I’m not saying Obama didn’t have his short coming and portions of the continuation is true.

Again context is extremely important. He was able to pass ACA when he had the majority. If i remember that took a good chunk of time to get done.

That’s(ACA) actually a good example of the other point I said.

A lot of people expect change to be sudden, most times it doesn’t work that way, especially with government
 
JAG said:
I’m not saying Obama didn’t have his short coming and portions of the continuation is true.

Again context is extremely important. He was able to pass ACA when he had the majority. If i remember that took a good chunk of time to get done.

That’s(ACA) actually a good example of the other point I said.

A lot of people expect change to be sudden, most times it doesn’t work that way, especially with government
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It simply wasn't enough.
 
JAG said:
No he wasn’t. Hilary was the front runner.

That was besides my point.

Unless you’re saying there was voter suppression during the primary, primary voters did not show up for Bernie.
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The DNC and CNN already admitted to colluding against Bernie for Hillary. That's not even debatable.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
The DNC and CNN already admitted to colluding against Bernie for Hillary. That's not even debatable.
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My fault should’ve been more specific. By saying collusion I meant did they change primary voters votes

Yes there was fuckery by the DNC against Bernie. I see how that implication can be made.

I questioned it’s decisiveness because at the end of the day, primary voters decided who gets then nomination.
 
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