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[Chi-Town B]

Anyway the one time she actually tried to stand up for herself in an abusive relationship and you "why did she stay?" Niggas are trying to make it seem like she deserved what she got.

Yall weird fr.

Nobody said she deserved it, we just said she was with the shits just like him. Both are wrong

 

[Freeman]

Nobody said she deserved it, we just said she was with the shits just like him. Both are wrong

1 is incredibly more wrong than the other. There's no actual comparison but you guys are determined make it seem that way.

 

[Old Man Cain]

1 is incredibly more wrong than the other. There's no actual comparison but you guys are determined make it seem that way.

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I'm just stating the.....

I don't know what these other niggas are doing.

 

[BlackRain]

I don't know about that. When gangbangers murder other gangbangers, we all can agree that the murderers should go to jail while also acknowledging that the victims weren't innocent. This situation is no different. I haven't really seen account in here are that Puff should walk on these charges.

A gangbanger is causing active harm or looking to do so to their rival. Who is a victim of abuse causing active harm to? The situations are very different

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

This only having 12 likes don’t sit right w me

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Sometimes, sometimes (not talking about this case in particular) its not a matter of choosing the lifestyle but a matter of being scared of having nothing to go to when leaving that lifestyle. No backup plan, no money in the bank, no control over funds, have a child/children to take care of, no one they feel they can go to, shame, no real world skills cause being a companion is all they know. You couple all that with abuse and drug use and you can have someone insulated and immobilized with fear.

Agreed, and I do believe it is legit coercion when a person knowingly uses that fact to manipulate a person. I'm talking more about situations where a person knows they can leave but knows the alternative won't be as plush e.g., a chick preferring to continue living the high life instead of having to go back and live with mommy and daddy.

A gangbanger is causing active harm or looking to do so to their rival. Who is a victim of abuse causing active harm to? The situations are very different

That's not the point of the comparison. I swear people on here don't understand how analogies work. You said your fear was that if people acknowledge the victim's role in a bad scenario that it will somehow keep people from believing the abuser needs to be punished. The point of the analogy was that people are still able to hold wrongdoers accountable even when they believe the wrongdoer is villainous too. So if, as you note, we're talking about a victim who may be complicit but isn't guilty of doing any harm, people should be even more willing to hold the abuser accountable.

@Chi-Town B wants us all to call Cassie a slut, but he doesn't seem to be making the argument that Puff shouldn't be punished, unless I just missed it.

 

[Maywood]

 

[Freeman]

The internet is a cesspool lmaaooo

 

[Chi-Town B]

Agreed, and I do believe it is legit coercion when a person knowingly uses that fact to manipulate a person. I'm talking more about situations where a person knows they can leave but knows the alternative won't be as plush e.g., a chick preferring to continue living the high life instead of having to go back and live with mommy and daddy.



That's not the point of the comparison. I swear people on here don't understand how analogies work. You said your fear was that if people acknowledge the victim's role in a bad scenario that it will somehow keep people from believing the abuser needs to be punished. The point of the analogy was that people are still able to hold wrongdoers accountable even when they believe the wrongdoer is villainous too. So if, as you note, we're talking about a victim who may be complicit but isn't guilty of doing any harm, people should be even more willing to hold the abuser accountable.

@Chi-Town B wants us all to call Cassie a slut, but he doesn't seem to be making the argument that Puff shouldn't be punished, unless I just missed it.

I never said anything of the sort, you thinking of Knock

 

[BlackRain]

Agreed, and I do believe it is legit coercion when a person knowingly uses that fact to manipulate a person. I'm talking more about situations where a person knows they can leave but knows the alternative won't be as plush e.g., a chick preferring to continue living the high life instead of having to go back and live with mommy and daddy.



That's not the point of the comparison. I swear people on here don't understand how analogies work. You said your fear was that if people acknowledge the victim's role in a bad scenario that it will somehow keep people from believing the abuser needs to be punished. The point of the analogy was that people are still able to hold wrongdoers accountable even when they believe the wrongdoer is villainous too. So if, as you note, we're talking about a victim who may be complicit but isn't guilty of doing any harm, people should be even more willing to hold the abuser accountable.

@Chi-Town B wants us all to call Cassie a slut, but he doesn't seem to be making the argument that Puff shouldn't be punished, unless I just missed it.

No I just think the analogy doesn't work because of the inherent nature of gangbanging vs a person who is being abused are vastly different. Thus making it not a good comparison. Your point isn't lost once you just typed it out but your initial analogy has a huge hole in it.

And you still haven't answered just how should a victim of abuse be "held accountable" unless I missed it. Because that's been a repeated thing nobody has been able to clearly answer. Because holding somebody accountable means consequences for their actions. So what exactly should those consequences be? Lack of belief? Lack of criminal charges? Lack of care? How exactly do you hold someone who is getting their ass beat more responsible?

 

[AP4.0]

No I just think the analogy doesn't work because of the inherent nature of gangbanging vs a person who is being abused are vastly different. Thus making it not a good comparison. Your point isn't lost once you just typed it out but your initial analogy has a huge hole in it.

And you still haven't answered just how should a victim of abuse be "held accountable" unless I missed it. Because that's been a repeated thing nobody has been able to clearly answer. Because holding somebody accountable means consequences for their actions. So what exactly should those consequences be? Lack of belief? Lack of criminal charges? Lack of care? How exactly do you hold someone who is getting their ass beat more responsible?

Probably cause of what they were wearing or they put themselves in that position

 

[The Lonious Monk]

No I just think the analogy doesn't work because of the inherent nature of gangbanging vs a person who is being abused are vastly different. Thus making it not a good comparison. Your point isn't lost once you just typed it out but your initial analogy has a huge hole in it.

And you still haven't answered just how should a victim of abuse be "held accountable" unless I missed it. Because that's been a repeated thing nobody has been able to clearly answer. Because holding somebody accountable means consequences for their actions. So what exactly should those consequences be? Lack of belief? Lack of criminal charges? Lack of care? How exactly do you hold someone who is getting their ass beat more responsible?

Again, that's not how analogies work. It would be like if I said a cub is to a lion as a calf is to a cow and you said "That comparison doesn't work because lions are predators and cows are prey." I'm sure you see how dumb that is. You understand that a direct comparison between lions and cows is not the point of the analogy. It's the same here. Directly comparing a gangbanger to an abuse victim misses the point of the analogy. There was no hole in my analogy. You just don't seem to understand how analogies work. But honestly I don't even believe that's true. I believe you're smart enough to know how to apply analogies. I believe you pull shit like that to deflect from the point being made.

Holding someone accountable for their actions can be something as simple as acknowledging that their actions played a part in what happened to them. I've already given an example. If one of those chicks was being abused by Puff, but that person made the conscious decision to stay because she wanted to retain the lifestyle, then she made the choice accept the abuse. Puff would still be an abuser and should still suffer consequences. We can agree on that. We should also be able to agree that the chick has agency, and she used that agency to accept the bad along with the good of the relationship. She wasn't a helpless victim. Acknowledging that is also holding her accountable.

 

[Goldie]

 

[BlackRain]

Again, that's not how analogies work. It would be like if I said a cub is to a lion as a calf is to a cow and you said "That comparison doesn't work because lions are predators and cows are prey." I'm sure you see how dumb that is. You understand that a direct comparison between lions and cows is not the point of the analogy. It's the same here. Directly comparing a gangbanger to an abuse victim misses the point of the analogy. There was no hole in my analogy. You just don't seem to understand how analogies work. But honestly I don't even believe that's true. I believe you're smart enough to know how to apply analogies. I believe you pull shit like that to deflect from the point being made.

Holding someone accountable for their actions can be something as simple as acknowledging that their actions played a part in what happened to them. I've already given an example. If one of those chicks was being abused by Puff, but that person made the conscious decision to stay because she wanted to retain the lifestyle, then she made the choice accept the abuse. Puff would still be an abuser and should still suffer consequences. We can agree on that. We should also be able to agree that the chick has agency, and she used that agency to accept the bad along with the good of the relationship. She wasn't a helpless victim. Acknowledging that is also holding her accountable.

I agree a woman has agency of her own. Again your analogy isn't misunderstood I just don't think it works. Not agreeing doesn't mean misunderstanding and since you mentioned agency I do have the personal agency to take that stance. What you seem to often miss though is that where you may draw a logical conclusion and stop others will keep going. As seen in this very thread there's been varying degrees of what people feel holding someone accountable means and it has teetered into the territory of "well why is this even in court to begin with".

I think where you often mistep in these discussions is assuming other people will stop where you do and that unfortunately isn't the case. Again you can see in this very thread some believe that "she wanted the freak offs. She knew what came with it" So to some holding them accountable means less punishment for the actual abuser. So while you may not take that leap, the fact that others will can't be ignored. Folks want a public shaming and in this case even legal consequences for the people being abused.

 

[DOPE33]

 

[konceptjones]

just came across my timeline, I was just about to post this shit.

"50 Cent's Baby Momma" is hilarious to me.

 

[RandomOne]

I don't see how it could be a mistrial. There are other witnesses

 

[Old Man Cain]

I don't see how it could be a mistrial. There are other witnesses

Mistrial due to the fact that the witnesses with immunity given by the Feds lied on the stand. Why that is suspect is because the Prosecution knew that Puff wasn't even in the state when the chick said she was hung off a balcony. Then Cassie in her lawsuit and testimony said she saw that happen BUT she lied as well because she was with Puff in a hotel in NY. That in itself is perjury but the judge didn't charge her with perjury. That's where the grounds of mistrial can come into play

Also 50 BM said Puff was making her do such and such well today she she testified that she was setting up freakoffs with other people with male escorts and getting paid. Puff knew nothing about it she did that on her own and got paid $9k

Like said earlier.......she's not a victim

 

[Old Man Cain]

Mistrial due to the fact that the witnesses with immunity given by the Feds lied on the stand. Why that is suspect is because the Prosecution knew that Puff wasn't even in the state when the chick said she was hung off a balcony. Then Cassie in her lawsuit and testimony said she saw that happen BUT she lied as well because she was with Puff in a hotel in NY. That in itself is perjury but the judge didn't charge her with perjury. That's where the grounds of mistrial can come into play

Also 50 BM said Puff was making her do such and such well today she she testified that she was setting up freakoffs with other people with male escorts and getting paid. Puff knew nothing about it she did that on her own and got paid $9k

Like said earlier.......she's not a victim

Also the judge saying no to mistrial actually helps Puff if he's found guilty because he can appeal.

 

[Freeman]

Also the judge saying no to mistrial actually helps Puff if he's found guilty because he can appeal.

Yo just say you want puff to come home. It's okay. You still bro.