COMMUNITY Tariffs: Supreme Court strikes down Trump’s sweeping tariffs

ChicagoFigure said:
Agreed. But regardless, most of the actual losers of money thus far has not been the average Joe it's the big guys.

Only ppl I really feel for (as far as markets) are those set to retire.
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Sure, losses in the market aren't the big hit to the average Joe. The inflation in the prices of goods that will result from these tariffs are will hurt everyday people. A bounce back in the market won't heal the pain caused by that.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Sure, losses in the market aren't the big hit to the average Joe. The inflation in the prices of goods that will result from these tariffs are will hurt everyday people. A bounce back in the market won't heal the pain caused by that.
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Thats a completely diff convo than the specific premise of the post that was posted a few pages back by LV
 
ChicagoFigure said:
I understand that. My point is regardless of how the crash happened the outcome would be the same.
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Not if the people with cash on hand also get tipped off about the strategy behind this whole thing. You don’t think Trump’s buddies know the exact date he rolls the tariffs back? Which impacts “risk” tolerance?
 
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Rubato said:
Not if the people with cash on hand also get tipped off about the strategy behind this whole thing. You don’t think Trump’s buddies know the exact date he rolls the tariffs back?
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Lol I don't disagree with u on trump. Hes guilty and i can agree with everything u say regarding trump to a T. Go back to the first post:

1."tariffs crash the stock market"
True. But a crash occurs due to major sell off. These are hedge funds and big money guys. Anyone who is holding (the average guy) have no realized losses. The guys who sold after the top are the only losers, and the longer the wait the more they lose. If u hold, u technically have lost nothing yet.

2."the billionaires buy up the stock"
Yes, the same billionaires buy back after they sold. The winners/losers depend on timing and ofc insider trading (trump and others).

3."he undoes the tariffs and stocks go back up"
So whoever sold at the top and buy back at a lesser price do well. If u never sold (most average Joes) u get recouped by a recovery. U haven't lost a dime.

4. "A simple transfer of wealth from the middle class to the upper class"
#4 contradicts #3
 
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@Rubato the simplest way I can say it is in order for dudes post to be true the majority of folks with 401k would have to sell at or close to the bottom and buy back toward the top.

And even then it would be a self inflicted wound not a conspiracy.

That's just not happening.
 
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ChicagoFigure said:
@Rubato the simplest way I can say it is in order for dudes post to be true the majority of folks with 401k would have to sell at or close to the bottom and buy back toward the top.

And even then it would be a self inflicted wound not a conspiracy.

That's just not happening.
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You are more likely to go all in if you have assurance about it being short term though
 
Rubato said:
You are more likely to go all in if you have assurance about it being short term though
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And so how does this hurt the average middle class 401k holder who isn't selling for at least another decade?

And how is it leading to a wealth transfer in any way different than any other crash/correction/pullback?
 
ChicagoFigure said:
And so how does this hurt the average middle class 401k holder who isn't selling for at least another decade?

And how is it leading to a wealth transfer in any way different than any other crash/correction/pullback?
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People are losing tens of thousands since the tariffs started
 
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