COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

ChicagoFigure said:
Literally the same as when u and others keep sarcastically bringing up "but but both sides". U just don't see it that way bc it's your belief. More hypocrisy.


I come from the baseline perspective that ALL politicians should be pressed by the people and media as hard as they do trump with the exception of outright lies, purposely taking things out of context or hyper sensationalism.

THe outrage is always, always selective. Yes, both sides do this, but like fam said this is a (hard) left leaning site so it looks a way.
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But I never see you in the Democrat bashing thread two sides-ing their points. You always only two sides shit when people are criticizing the right wing.
 
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Special place in hell for wanting to cut alzheimers and cancer research

It really wouldn't surprise me if in the near future another Luigi Mangione happened
 
The Lonious Monk said:
I disagree. I think it's the opposite really. Trump is fucking up so badly, the next Dem can probably spend his/her whole term just trying to undo all the bad that Trump had done.

I'd like to see Walz run for president to be honest. I'm not a big fan of hers myself, but having AOC on the ticket might get a lot of the base that had tapped out fired back up.
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I think AOC should stay in Congress. She's too polarizing. Josh Shapiro and Gretchen Whitmer might be a good ticket.
 
It’s not about policy for people anymore, culture wars get people moving.

An AOC/ Bernie ticket will have all sorts of weirdo culture war topics applied to them
 
BlackRain said:
Well the "both sides" thing is brought up within specific context which you refuse to acknowledge. So while you say your baseline is all politicians should be pressed, it's quite clear that certain things being pressed more than others bothers you. And that's just unrealistic to expect people to hold all things equally. Very few people do that. There's varying degrees of things and you seem to want to try and view everything the same when it's clear the consequences for different actions aren't. And instead of acknowledging that you just keep trying to point out shit just to show "you're different from the left leaning people". And that's just dumb. Also, another one of your blind spots is showing because this board isn't as hard left leaning as you seem to think. There's a multitude of conservative ideals expressed and agreed upon by many on here. They just don't stand out to you because it's not wrapped in "Trump bad" commentary that seems to trigger your reactions the most.
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In the vast majority of political threads this board is hard left. It's one of the reasons the Dem bashing thread was made bc the general political thread was basically a Republican bashing thread.

And even if u disagree that it's hard left, nightking, who I believe stated in the past is not a Democrat, acknowledges that it is generally left leaning.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
In the vast majority of political threads this board is hard left. It's one of the reasons the Dem bashing thread was made bc the general political thread was basically a Republican bashing thread.

And even if u disagree that it's hard left, nightking, who I believe stated in the past is not a Democrat, acknowledges that it is generally left leaning.
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I vote democrat, but I’m not blue no matter who. You’re right though, this is a left leaning site, mainly because it’s a mostly black site and the right wing is far worse for us than democrats.

The democrats thread was created not as an antithesis to the republican bashing, but due to the lack of democrat bashing. It wasn’t a two sides thing, but more so shining a light on terrible democrat moves without regard for republican moves.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
The second sentence is not true. Maybe I haven't done it in that specific thread but I've done it in other threads.
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You’ve criticized republicans certainly, but I’ve not seen that criticism in the context of a comparison to democrats to sort of downplay the democrat criticism.

I could be wrong, but at minimum the number of times you do it in response to Republican criticism is far more. From what I’ve seen and remembered.
 
TheNightKing said:
I vote democrat, but I’m not blue no matter who. You’re right though, this is a left leaning site, mainly because it’s a mostly black site and the right wing is far worse for us than democrats.
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Thing is, 99.9% of Dem criticizers don't even insinuate that the Republicans are better. They just call out how Dems exploit the struggles of various groups for their own benefit.

I can't speak to race but a good example are the homeless. Look what Newsom did in Cali. Funded multiple programs for tens of billions of dollars to fight homelessness. The money is gone, no one knows where it went, and homelessness either showed no progress or got worse.

Does pointing that out mean I think Republicans are better when it comes to homelessness? No. We both know they wouldn't even pretend to care. But it's debatable which one is worse.

TheNightKing said:
You’ve criticized republicans certainly, but I’ve not seen that criticism in the context of a comparison to democrats to sort of downplay the democrat criticism.

I could be wrong, but at minimum the number of times you do it in response to Republican criticism is far more. From what I’ve seen and remembered.
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Lol how many other posters are there for me to argue with that are bashing the Dems? And of the ones u can name, which ones do it while implying the Republicans are better? Its much less in comparison bc it hardly ever happens.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
In the vast majority of political threads this board is hard left. It's one of the reasons the Dem bashing thread was made bc the general political thread was basically a Republican bashing thread.

And even if u disagree that it's hard left, nightking, who I believe stated in the past is not a Democrat, acknowledges that it is generally left leaning.
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Ok. He can think that. But his analysis of things isn't devoid of the context and the consequences specific to those events. The Dem bashing thread was made mainly for political reasons more to do with the inner workings of race and politics among Black people more than an actual criticism of Dem policies and standards. So that's not the best example.

And the vast majority of political threads aren't hard left. More left leaning in some instances but even in those there's debate on just how far left. And there's also quite a few posters who can and do express more conservative views on a variety of topics as well and they get discussed too.

You're still missing the main point though which is you simply can't hold all offenses on equal ground. It just won't happen and it doesn't even make sense for it to happen. So you're whataboutism and "they do it too" on things that clearly have different levels of end results is just gonna keep ringing hollow. Especially when that same smoke isn't equally distrubuted simply because you feel like you gotta be the counter to things left leaning. It comes off as being in defense of things because you've made it clear before that you lean into being anti establishment or whatever the popular pov is and feel you gotta question it.
 
BlackRain said:
Ok. He can think that. But his analysis of things isn't devoid of the context and the consequences specific to those events. The Dem bashing thread was made mainly for political reasons more to do with the inner workings of race and politics among Black people more than an actual criticism of Dem policies and standards. So that's not the best example.

And the vast majority of political threads aren't hard left. More left leaning in some instances but even in those there's debate on just how far left. And there's also quite a few posters who can and do express more conservative views on a variety of topics as well and they get discussed too.
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Lol telling me that it's mostly left leaning and there is a debate about how far left, amongst the left, and that there are sprinkles of conservative views here and there is not making the point u might be thinking you're making. I'm not gonna bother with this point any farther.
BlackRain said:
You're still missing the main point though which is you simply can't hold all offenses on equal ground. It just won't happen and it doesn't even make sense for it to happen. So you're whataboutism and "they do it too" on things that clearly have different levels of end results is just gonna keep ringing hollow. Especially when that same smoke isn't equally distrubuted simply because you feel like you gotta be the counter to things left leaning. It comes off as being in defense of things because you've made it clear before that you lean into being anti establishment or whatever the popular pov is and feel you gotta question it.
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Some are equivalents and some aren't. If u disagree then that's your right I'm not gonna convince u otherwise.

Y'all keep talking about equally distributing smoke when we all agree the majority of this board is at least left leaning.

There's a lot of bs on the left or mis/disinformation posted here politically (stringer is the worst offender) that I never see y'all call out. It's very odd that y'all keep holding me to standards that u yourselves don't adhere to.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
Lol telling me that it's mostly left leaning and there is a debate about how far left, amongst the left, and that there are sprinkles of conservative views here and there is not making the point u might be thinking you're making. I'm not gonna bother with this point any farther.

Some are equivalents and some aren't. If u disagree then that's your right I'm not gonna convince u otherwise.

Y'all keep talking about equally distributing smoke when we all agree the majority of this board is at least left leaning.

There's a lot of bs on the left or mis/disinformation posted here politically (stringer is the worst offender) that I never see y'all call out. It's very odd that y'all keep holding me to standards that u yourselves don't adhere to.
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People call out Stringer and other posters for either incomplete or wrong information all time. And with your post again it's not about misinformation it's about the disregard of context. You can't talk about equivalents when you don't even acknowledge the disparity among things. And when it's brought to your attention you don't even address as it still really haven't.

This board has more than just a sprinkle of conservative view points. But again there's certain things you miss because you don't get the cultural ways in which some of those issues are discussed because it's not cloaked in "Dem vs Republican".
 
BlackRain said:
People call out Stringer and other posters for either incomplete or wrong information all time. And with your post again it's not about misinformation it's about the disregard of context. You can't talk about equivalents when you don't even acknowledge the disparity among things. And when it's brought to your attention you don't even address as it still really haven't.

This board has more than just a sprinkle of conservative view points. But again there's certain things you miss because you don't get the cultural ways in which some of those issues are discussed because it's not cloaked in "Dem vs Republican".
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I'm sure "all the time" is an exaggeration. And remember, the standard YOU set was "equal distribution of smoke". You don't abide by that and neither does the rest of this board.

The rest of the shit we can argue about when I do what you're accusing me of. If I didn't respond it wasn't some nefarious reason.
 
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